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Old 07-24-2008, 12:01 AM     Post subject: NL10 QQ is the cbet here justified? #1 (permalink)  
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UTG ($13)
UTG+1 ($12.55)
MP1 ($17.80)
MP2 ($13.85)
MP3 ($11.55)
CO ($9.80)
Button ($2.15)
SB ($14.75)
Hero ($6.55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q.
4 folds, MP3 raises to $0.4, CO calls $0.40, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.3, MP3 folds, CO calls $1.90.

Flop: ($5.05) J, A, 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $2, CO raises to $7.5, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $9.05
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Old 07-24-2008, 01:51 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 Either shove the flop or check/fold with that stack. Bet/folding is terrible
 
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Old 07-24-2008, 03:11 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Well I know if I call he has an ace. That's most of the time...
so check/fold for the win?
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Old 07-24-2008, 10:25 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I think I would shove. Think about it from villain's perspective.

Pre-flop: Your action is with $0.95 in the pot - your call portion is $0.4 (making pot $1.35) and raise an additional $1.9 into $1.35 - overbetting it. You've made a big 3bet. Probably good from a SPR perspective though.
Flop: You open shove - villain has to start putting you on a range.

Your range at this point:
AA, JJ - set that has 7 outs on turn and 10 outs on river to improve to full house.
KK, QQ - pocket pair that may include the diamond to the nut or second nut flush if any of 9 diamonds come on turn or river - or may improve to a set if any of 2 cards hit
AxKd - top pair, top kicker, nut flush draw
AxQd - top pair, good kicker, second nut flush draw

What hands can he hold that are happy to call against this range with sets, full house and nut flush draws? If he has KdQd he can rule out a lot of hands of course and even have 1 out to beat any full house you might make, but he has hands in his range that do not necessarily include the Kd or Qd.

You have $4.25 behind and the pot is $5.05. If you lose every single time he calls he would have to fold 45.6% of the time for you to break even on a shove. Considering how strong your range is, he might fold that often. A shove would indicate that you're not worried about the possible flush - you either have it or have strong draws to beat it - many better hands would fold imo. While you're at the weak end of your end range with relatively low actual showdown value, the opponent doesn't know that - and he'd need to be sitting heavily on the high diamonds or have a made set to feel good about calling. TPTK shouldn't call.

Though of course - this being 10nl it can be very hard to accurately judge your fold equity. He might be a person who'd never fold TPTK here even with a flush plainly on board and when you have overbet 3bet PF.

I guess on second thought, considering the likely opponent, it's possibly best to check/fold - I'd have pushed if one of your queens had been the Qd for sure though.

And now I change my mind again. I can't imagine what hand the villain has played this way. He calls a 4bb bet, and then a 24bb 3bet pre-flop - which hand passively calls big bets that basically pot commits him pre-flop? It's entirely possible he's playing a crap middle pair and misread your PF bet size or overlooked your stack size and would definitely fold that to a shove. I can't decide what he can realistically have played this way without fucking up his hand - this makes me lean to thinking he did fuck up his hand and he'll fold to a shove. I guess the only hands he could have played this way without it being a mistake are AA and KK.
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Old 07-24-2008, 11:02 AM #5 (permalink)  
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villain calls with Ax and calls my flop shove probably
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Old 07-24-2008, 10:13 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 check-fold flop given your reads.
Then rebuy full, playing 60bb deep is a totally different game to playing 100bb deep - master one.
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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Old 07-24-2008, 10:32 PM #7 (permalink)  
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things that are wrong

1) OP has 65 bb.
2) OP commited himself when he didnt want to call the rest of his stack off.
3) OP has terrible cbetsizing
4) OP is on drugs
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Old 07-25-2008, 12:39 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by reDZill4
things that are wrong

1) OP has 65 bb.
2) OP commited himself when he didnt want to call the rest of his stack off.
3) OP has terrible cbetsizing
4) OP is on drugs
close, but i'm not convinced that op is on drugs just yet...
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