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NLHE lahooozaher
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09-01-2007, 02:19 AM
Post subject: NL$50 play along.
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 916
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Villain is something like 30/8/2.75 after 200 or so hands. I probably look pretty nitty to him if he pays attention but if he doesn't I'm unknown because I just got to the table.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)
MP1 ($63.10)
MP2 ($26.45)
MP3 ($83.95)
CO ($49.15)
Hero ($57.50)
SB ($31.45)
BB ($28)
UTG ($45.50)
UTG+1 ($35.65)
Preflop: Hero is Button with  ,  .
2 folds, MP1 raises to $1.5, 3 folds, Hero calls $1.50, 2 folds.
Flop: ($3.75)  ,  ,  (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $2.5, MP1 raises to $7.5, Hero thinks he's fos.
Guy is pretty aggressive and I don't think a made hand takes this line except for a set and even then he is likely to fire on this draw heavy board. Should I 3-bet the majority of the time?
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pgil
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Full House
Join Date: Jun 2005
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if you think he is completely full of shit, ie overcard(s) and not semibluffing some sort of draw, then it wouldn't be completely bad to call and then push the turn when he bets into you.
Most people will think they have to bet after check-raising the previous street. Since you have position, use it to get some more of his money in the pot before pushing him out of it.
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"If you can't say f*ck, you can't say f*ck the government" - Lenny Bruce
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hopeful
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
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A bit of a loose call? I would need to hit the flop hard to play it any further. The flop bet was a good steal attempt, pretty standard and usually works on these tables, in my experience at $50 a check raise is normally a big made hand or a made hand with a big draw to help, i would want to play a small pot or no pot from then on
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Ash256
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: UK
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Problem is with a threebet is that it's going to be to something like $18, which means you're potfucked on the turn if you see one.. Plus a spade/board pair can really remove your balls.. Is a 3bet push the most obvious bluff ever? I can't see him calling it with less than TPTK.
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Pants_101
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Flush
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Nottingham UK
Posts: 442
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I think you could make more money checking behind on the flop. As played you could call to hit your str8 or rep the flush if a spade comes, that gives you enough outs although it's not certain he would believe the flush. Or just fold.
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Must get more aggressive - Tonight we dine in $25NL! rah rah rah! etc
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Rondavu
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4-of-a-Kind
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The deciding factor is the deceptive quality of your holding, which increases your implied odds substantially. In other words most of your make cards aren't heavy scare cards, and the ones that are increase your fold equity. This means you should call the 2-bet, and extract max value from turn makes, and make your opponent fold a lot when a 3rd spade hits.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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Pants_101
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Flush
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Nottingham UK
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
The deciding factor is the deceptive quality of your holding, which increases your implied odds substantially. In other words your make cards aren't heavy scare cards. This means you should call the 2-bet, and extract max value from turn makes.
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That's true although 2 of your 8 cards could scare villain as they are spades. They could also give him a flush which would be a disaster! On the other hand the c/r seems to show a lot of strength which suggests we can get paid in a big way. I still think the flop semi-bluff is a mistake though, if he has top set or an overpair you can still get the money in on the turn if you hit and if he's weak he might make top pair with a Q or try a bluff. I'd forgo the small pot on the flop to try for a much bigger one on the turn. What do people think?
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Must get more aggressive - Tonight we dine in $25NL! rah rah rah! etc
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NLHE lahooozaher
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Full House
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I call on the flop. The turn is the 3s. He checks to me, wtf. If I bet he folds air, raises a flush and calls with a set or c/rs with it. If I bet and he calls do I need to follow through with a river bet or is that just burning money? Turn is a bet, yes?
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NLHE lahooozaher
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 916
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Originally Posted by Pants_101
That's true although 2 of your 8 cards could scare villain as they are spades. They could also give him a flush which would be a disaster! On the other hand the c/r seems to show a lot of strength which suggests we can get paid in a big way. I still think the flop semi-bluff is a mistake though, if he has top set or an overpair you can still get the money in on the turn if you hit and if he's weak he might make top pair with a Q or try a bluff. I'd forgo the small pot on the flop to try for a much bigger one on the turn. What do people think?
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I don't think this is a bad idea. I probably check here 80% of the time or more because at this level most people who check after raising preflop checkraise with whatever. I'm just experimenting and trying to use position more to my advantage.
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Pelion
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2005
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why do you think hes FOS? I like calling and repping the flush. The problem with just calling for value when we think hes FOS is our implied odds are obviously really small.
Id bet the 3s but then I think im autobet-spewing in alot of spots where people trap-check to me. I dont think hes check/raising a set here though when a large part of your range just outdrew him.
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NLHE lahooozaher
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 916
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why do you think hes FOS?
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Guy is pretty aggressive and I don't think a made hand takes this line except for a set and even then he is likely to fire on this draw heavy board.
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