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Old 11-20-2007, 11:17 PM     Post subject: nit on nit action #1 (permalink)  
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 We are your average winning 100nl player, give us whatever stats you want 15/11??
Opp is another decent wining player, lets say average, and 18/9.

what is you calling range in both hands as opp?

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SB ($38.05)
Hero ($100)
UTG ($49)
UTG+1 ($102.50)
MP1 ($98.50)
MP2 ($101.05)
MP3 ($95.40)
CO ($168.25)
Button ($102.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with x x
4 folds, MP3 raises to $4, 3 folds, Hero raises to $14, MP3 calls $10.

Flop: ($28.50) A, K, Q (2 players)
Hero bets $23, MP3 calls $23.

Turn: ($74.50) J (2 players)
Hero bets $63 (All-In), MP3 .....

River: ($191.30) J (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $191.31

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UTG+1 ($31.55)
Hero ($102.50)
MP2 ($49)
MP3 ($101)
CO ($99.50)
Button ($104.60)
SB ($186.30)
BB ($168.25)
UTG ($105)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with x x
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, 4 folds, SB raises to $14, 1 fold, Hero calls $10.

Flop: ($29) , , (2 players)
SB bets $20, Hero calls $20.

Turn: ($69) (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $68.5 (All-In), SB ....

Final Pot: $0.50
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Old 11-21-2007, 01:46 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Well i've not been playing long at FR but i'm running 18/9 so far so hopefully have some idea even though i'm at 25NL, i think the way action has gone if i was in villain's shoes, calling ranges would be (assuming no reads that hero is overly aggressive and/or retarded):

Hand 1 : AA/KK, maybe QQ
Hand 2 : AA/QQ/JJ/(AQ/AJ if i was feeling aggressive pre)
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Old 11-21-2007, 04:47 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I fold a lot of hands pf to this guy.

hand 1 hero has a lot of 2pr hands in his range, as well as a couple of sets. I dont continue with much outside of a set/made hand. i probably push AK because I am a 2 pr donk, and most likely at least call with a flush/combo draw because the rest is going in on the turn.

hand 2 I probably go ahead w/ AQ (AJ I might although I am not 3betting this hand often from the SB here), any set/made hand, a lot of Acxc hands I would probably fire again on the turn, the same goes for any combo draw.
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Old 11-21-2007, 04:50 AM #4 (permalink)  
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hand 1: any set, AJ+, JT, KhJh
hand 2: any set, AQ, AJ
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Old 11-21-2007, 06:12 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 Really good hands, but I find these kind of exercises too difficult/weird to provide much, if any, analysis.

Hero seems to be shoving the nuts or good hands turned into bluffs.
 
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Old 11-21-2007, 07:17 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Really good hands, but I find these kind of exercises too difficult/weird to provide much, if any, analysis.

Hero seems to be shoving the nuts or good hands turned into bluffs.
Im really interested in what people wont fold here. Its not a trick question or anything especially after the way i played hand 1 and what opp called with.
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Old 11-22-2007, 05:28 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 I've given them more thought, but like I said, it's really hard for me to say what I'd call with since I'm not a typical 100nl reg, I tend to go off more info than provided, and I'm just not good at non-traditional HH exercises.

Hand 2 I fold essentially nothing since I never see the flop with AT or less. I also think you're getting standard villians off nothing since you're unable to rep a huge hand with how action went down, and their range is pretty tight.

Hand 1 is much more difficult because the only hand the second nuts beats is a bluff. Problem is, you almost never have the nuts due to previous action. Personally, I call with my entire range since my range is very tight even though my bluff catcher may be worse than your bluff. I also never just flat the flop. Against standard villians, I think it's hard to get them off something like AJ since they're getting 2 to 1 and they gotta catch your bluff/see how bad they run.

If you had no ten in the first and AK or less in the second then you embrace the variance.
 
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Old 11-22-2007, 10:48 AM #8 (permalink)  
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 i have 77 in 1 and he has QQ. I found his call bad because he beats oinly one combo of hwat im repping (AK) hes dead versu 2/3rds my range
2 i have AA which is why i expected him to make the same mistake, shame he has KK this time.
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