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Old 05-16-2007, 01:01 PM     Post subject: newb me sucking/donking with PPs #2 #1 (permalink)  

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I posted a PP hand history a week or so ago, and here i am, posting another donkish play.

First hand at the table so i pay the blind and raise with KKs at C/O:
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Seat 1: player1 ($25 in chips)
Seat 2: player2 ($32.35 in chips)
Seat 3: player3 ($3.90 in chips)
Seat 4: player4 ($9.35 in chips)
Seat 5: player5 ($25 in chips)
Seat 6: ME ($21.95 in chips)
Seat 7: player6 ($6.65 in chips) - Button/Dealer
Seat 8: player7 ($49.45 in chips)
Seat 9: player8 ($32.10 in chips)
Seat 10: player9 ($23.75 in chips)

ANTES/BLINDS
player7 posts blind ($0.15), player8 posts blind ($0.25), player5 posts blind ($0.25), ME posts blind ($0.25).

[Hole cards :Kd:,:Kh:]

PRE-FLOP
player9 folds, player1 calls $0.25, player2 folds, player3 folds, player4 bets $0.50, player5 calls $0.25, ME bets $1, player6 folds, player7 folds, player8 folds, player1 folds, player4 calls $0.75, player5 calls $0.75.

FLOP [board cards ,, ]
player4 checks, player5 bets $1, ME calls $1, player4 folds.

TURN [board cards ,,,:Js: ]
player5 bets $3, ME calls $3.

RIVER [board cards ,,,:Js:,:Ah: ]
player5 bets $3, ME calls $3.

SHOWDOWN
player5 shows [ :Jh:, ]
ME mucks cards [ :Ks:,:Kh: ]
player5 wins $17.50.

SUMMARY
Dealer: player6
Pot: $18.40, (including rake: $0.90)
player1, loses $0.25
player2, loses $0
player3, loses $0
player4, loses $1.25
player5, bets $8.25, collects $17.50, net $9.25
ME, loses $8.25
player6, loses $0
player7, loses $0.15
player8, loses $0.25
player9, loses $0
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critisms, laugher, flames welcome
Should i have gotten out earlier? re-raised on flop? I know i suck and i always get my ass handed to me when i play a PP, I'm still a break even player right now.

P.S: thanks zook for the help with the previous HH
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Old 05-16-2007, 01:31 PM #2 (permalink)  

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make it 3 to go pf
raise flop
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Old 05-16-2007, 01:36 PM #3 (permalink)  

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hmm, that sounds about right, in hindsight i feel abit like a calling station and probably should've bet harder in the earlier stages, but i always get the niggling feeling that anyone with an ace will ruin my party
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Old 05-16-2007, 03:33 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I think you should ask yourself what am I trying to achieve with my pre flop raise? With a min-raise and call in front another minraise will not fold anyone, they have odds to come in with all sorts of rubbish. Your hand is strong but you still would rather be heads up, so raise bigger. That way someone coming in with J6 is making a big mistake. The flop is quite uncool and player 5 could have anything really. I would probably raise his bet to $4 and proceed cautiously if called but other's may well disagree with this line.

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Old 05-16-2007, 09:48 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Playyour big pairs much faster - they are generally going to be ahead pre, and on the flop so try to get as much money as possible in there. Players will still chase and try to suck out, so just make sure you are charging them to the max.
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Old 05-17-2007, 08:36 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 although we reccomend a 4bbs preflop raise preflop, when more players are in the pot you need to raise a little more.
Hence your bet just juiced up the pot for any two rather than isolated some fish.
After that, at these stakes we want it all in pretty quick on a board like this versus bad opponents because were normally well ahead versus stations and draws.
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Old 05-17-2007, 09:47 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Pre-flop with KK - Raise it to $2.00-$2.50. NEVER MIN RAISE (MISTAKE #1)

Flop: On a FD/OESD board with smallish bet... raise it to @ $5-$6 to go.(MISTAKE #2).

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Old 05-17-2007, 09:59 PM #8 (permalink)  
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When someone min raises my Kings here and people start calling and building up a biggish multi way pot I'm making it 4 or 5 to go.

This will hopefully isolate the shortie so you can just push any flop if he calls. If the big stack calls you will be looking at a big pot where you can put some serious bets in.

As played raise the flop. Especially with the flush draw there.

He is probably donkish enough to call as he caught a piece so you were doomed in the hand, but you would feel better about yourself as you mucked!
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