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LeFou

12-08-2006, 07:38 PM Post subject: Is this the new standard?

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I'm seeing 25NL guys playing AK this way a lot nowadays. With the difference that they're actually limping PF as often as not. Do they know something I don't?

PokerStars Game #7354564355: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/12/08 - 15:31:39 (ET)
Table 'Lena' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: sateboy ($29.05 in chips)
Seat 2: MaxUT ($16.15 in chips)
Seat 3: Ferius ($19.20 in chips)
Seat 4: dtn0578 ($15 in chips)
Seat 5: PURDUE6 ($17.20 in chips)
Seat 6: NuWere ($24.05 in chips)
Seat 7: Apolyon79 ($25.70 in chips)
Seat 8: Shark1 ($36.25 in chips)
Seat 9: leftyk23 ($12.80 in chips)
Ferius: posts small blind $0.10
dtn0578: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NuWere [Jh Jc]
PURDUE6: raises $0.50 to $0.75
NuWere: calls $0.75
Apolyon79: folds
Shark1: folds
leftyk23: folds
leftyk23 leaves the table
sateboy: folds
MaxUT: folds
Ferius: folds
dtn0578: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [7s Qc Kh]
dtn0578: checks
PURDUE6: checks
NuWere: checks
*** TURN *** [7s Qc Kh] [3c]
dtn0578: checks
PURDUE6: bets $1
NuWere: calls $1
dtn0578: folds
*** RIVER *** [7s Qc Kh 3c] [8d]
PURDUE6: bets $1.25
NuWere: calls $1.25
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PURDUE6: shows [Kc Ac] (a pair of Kings)
NuWere: mucks hand
PURDUE6 collected $6.55 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6.85 | Rake $0.30
Board [7s Qc Kh 3c 8d]
Seat 1: sateboy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: MaxUT (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Ferius (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: dtn0578 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: PURDUE6 showed [Kc Ac] and won ($6.55) with a pair of Kings
Seat 6: NuWere mucked [Jh Jc]
Seat 7: Apolyon79 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Shark1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: leftyk23 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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12-08-2006, 07:42 PM

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Nice pot building by villain.

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12-08-2006, 07:54 PM

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wtf are you doing in this hand?

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12-08-2006, 08:01 PM

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wtf are you doing in this hand?

making a standard call on turn and crying call on river

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LeFou

12-08-2006, 08:17 PM

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wtf are you doing in this hand?

At what point would you fold?

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12-08-2006, 08:30 PM

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im folding the river sometimes, but its fine

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12-08-2006, 08:42 PM

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yeah by river im pretty convinced of AQ but i cry and call a lot

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12-08-2006, 09:10 PM

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sry that was a bit harsh. Why not raise pf?

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12-08-2006, 09:51 PM

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JJ versus an UTG raise is almost exactly dead-even for me. With several to act, I'll often let them decide for me. i.e. when a few join me cold-calling the raise, I just sethunt.

When I don't get many overlimpers, as here, I start getting confused, esp. when people slowplay TPTK wtf.

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12-08-2006, 09:58 PM

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I would fold turn. Once you fail to raise a PP preflop you are mostly looking for a set or all undercards.

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12-09-2006, 12:44 AM

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If he prots the frop, you're not calling with < TP are you? Villians' big mistake is not on the flop, it's on the turn where he picks up the NFD. He should overbet here.

Anyway... no, it's not standard, but it's not bizzarly uncommon either.

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12-09-2006, 12:56 PM

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If he prots the frop, you're not calling with < TP are you?

If he prots the frop, doesn't that say Cbet usually? And if you have TPTK, then you raise it to see where your at?

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12-09-2006, 01:39 PM

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I'm not calling anything on frop in the sethunting case. When I do reraise these PF, I will usually have to figure out a play as I go...

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12-09-2006, 04:03 PM

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With the difference that they're actually limping PF as often as not. Do they know something I don't?

Limping AK EP is not as bad when the guys call 3 barrels in unraised pot with Ax on Ace high board but insta-muck it against preflop open-raise. Also when you face preflop aggro bully on button, you can use AK to LRR his ass. But it's non-standard play anyway, sometimes you can do it as a mix-up in order to show to the table that your EP limps aren't only with speculative hands.

Sklansky in his NL book also talks about limping TPTK type hands, even on button and why that play has its merits.

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12-09-2006, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by zenbitz

If he prots the frop, you're not calling with < TP are you?

If he prots the frop, doesn't that say Cbet usually? And if you have TPTK, then you raise it to see where your at?

don't raise just to see where you're at

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