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Deanglow
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01-28-2009, 01:14 AM
Post subject: need a plan kind of deep 400NL
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Haven't seen villain much, but he is SNE and pretty aggressive. He has squeezed my opens/flats like 3-4 time so far. I probably 3bet him 2-3 times so far but he knows I'm pretty tight in general. This is our first 3bet pot I think.
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SB ($581.40)
Hero (BB) ($629.80)
UTG ($276)
UTG+1 ($430.90)
MP1 ($763.45)
MP2 ($426.70)
CO ($368.75)
Button ($268.35)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K , K
2 folds, MP1 raises to $12, 1 fold, CO calls $12, 2 folds, Hero raises to $56, MP1 calls $44, 1 fold
Flop: ($126) 9 , 6, 7 (2 players)
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ZwiFT
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I cbet and planning to stack off to a reraise, if he calls i barrel any non spade
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AFchung
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Originally Posted by ZwiFT
I cbet and planning to stack off to a reraise, if he calls i barrel any non spade
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is it really +EV to be stacking off on this board this deep? 
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ZwiFT
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We got kings in a 3bet pot 150bb deep, i dont see the problem. if we cbet, what is he going to do with TT+? shove? and what about AsKd type of hands?. So yeah, i stack off
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Jason
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I have no experience at these stakes, but generally speaking, I make a nice over pot bet around $130 or maybe $150 to make sure villain doesn't have the odds to chase the flush or str8 and to possibly just take down the pot right now. I'm prepared to call an all-in raise. If he calls and the turn is a spade or an 8, I'm ready to shut it down, although he would still have to make a decent 1/3 pot sized big to push me out.
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nutsinho
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lol
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oh dat nutsinho.. Always getting his luls from the FR forum.. If only we could felt 22 here  .
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ZwiFT
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So what are you doing here, mr.. nuts =)
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nutsinho
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i wasnt loling at everyone. i think this deep in these nitty games we have to construct a plan that involves folding at some point to some type of action. lets start from there.
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Deanglow
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I did a loose-ish stove range and found I had 70% equity vs him shoving 66-AA (bigger pairs with a spade) and all AK with a spade. Against a tighter range I'm still doing pretty well imo
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Renton
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i could see bet folding
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If you guys don't have much history I expect him to play fairly standard against you in this spot. I can see him calling preflop with 88+ and AK (Albeit he'll probably 4bet you with KK+ quite often).
If you cbet, he's going to be shoving with AsKh, any pair with a spade (40% equity), sets and AA. He'll call your cbet with AsKs, 88 without a spade and sometime AsAx.
I can see myself folding if I cbet, he calls, and the turn brings any spade, sometimes the offsuit T. With that said, I probably still stack off on a turn ace as I don't expect it to hit his calling range much.
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Originally Posted by Renton
i could see bet folding
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How bad is checking the flop
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nutsinho
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
I did a loose-ish stove range and found I had 70% equity vs him shoving 66-AA (bigger pairs with a spade) and all AK with a spade. Against a tighter range I'm still doing pretty well imo
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wtf kind of idiot shoves pairs with no spade here. you are almost certainly not ahead of his stackoff range
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Deanglow
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
I did a loose-ish stove range and found I had 70% equity vs him shoving 66-AA (bigger pairs with a spade) and all AK with a spade. Against a tighter range I'm still doing pretty well imo
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wtf kind of idiot shoves pairs with no spade here. you are almost certainly not ahead of his stackoff range |
I meant all pairs over 99 had a spade in them bastert. And yeah I was planning on bet/folding like 100ish
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
I did a loose-ish stove range and found I had 70% equity vs him shoving 66-AA (bigger pairs with a spade) and all AK with a spade. Against a tighter range I'm still doing pretty well imo
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wtf kind of idiot shoves pairs with no spade here. you are almost certainly not ahead of his stackoff range |
I wouldn't think we're anywhere close to 70%, I actually get 33% against the range you gave. Against the range I gave (no 66-77) we're still only at 38%. If I throw in all QQ's (which isn't likely to get it AI) we're at 42% and if he never shoves with the AxKs then its 2% less equity.
If we bet 92 and he shoves the pot would be $700 and its $482 to call, giving us 1.45-1 or ~41% equity. I guess it would be a bet/fold which sucks.
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Renton
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checking isn't that great imo
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Phantaroth
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I can't really think of a way to put yourself in a good situation to fold.
My idea might suck, but what if you bet the flop, call the re-raise, then check-push any non-spade turn and check fold a spade turn?
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check fold or bet fold
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nutsinho
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yeah if u check the flop you should probably fold if he bets. i'd prob just b/f flop for 70$ and go from there
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not that id do it,
but why is a check/fold better than a check/call?
id probably jus b/f,
dont think he's shoving worse like JJ with the FD deep
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i like check cos this aint super deep(just 150, not like 220+ bb deep) and ur still going to be put to decision against like million semibluffs in his range and u should be folding to raise i think.
bue just noticed its oop, well it sucks hard... b/f is like please dont raise me...c/c is like please dont barrel me i'll have to fold half of a deck anyway,there wont be 2blanks like never...lols.... so i guess b/f is about right...... and if ur more adventurous type and u have read ur against someone who will barrel scarecards against u maybe u can c/c 3 "what look like blanks or scare cards" ? =D ..... b/f =D
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