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jpin109

09-24-2005, 03:21 AM Post subject: NEED HELP VERY IMPORTANT

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Hello eveyone im having trouble with this game and its getting really frustrating. Ok this is my problem i believe im an above average poker player but im having problems winning money. The type of sit n go's i play is 5 dollar and 10 dollar 10 player tournies on paradise poker and on party poker and on poker stars. i also play 25/50 cents and 1/2 dollar ring games which are 10 player. Ok let me get to my problem now which is i cant win nor do i lose i pretty much break even. in ring games the only hands i play are pocket Aces-10's from all postions and pocket 9's or less i usually limp in if i have solid position cause im afraid to be reraised position. I also play suited connectors and Ax suited if i also have good position. Pretty much what im getting at is n o matter what site i play on i cant get rid of all these fish type players and its getting annoying as hell.What am i doing wrong if im even doing anything wrong i also rarely chase straights nd flush unless the bets are cheap to call this same problem is also carrying over to the sit n go's. i read a bucnh of poker books from doyle brunson and ed sklansky and i also read all the great strategy guides on this site. Am i playing solid and just not getting the cards to play or am i just playing way to tight and cautious it just seems no matter what hand i have i always get fished out from bad players.

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jpin109

09-24-2005, 03:30 AM

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also another thing is people never fold no matter how much i raise gettin sick of being cut down by a straight cause some fish would not fold.

ensign_lee

09-24-2005, 03:41 AM

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post some hand histories; we can't really do much based on what you said.

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jpin109

09-24-2005, 03:45 AM

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ok i will when i can but im trying to say is nobody folds to anything they just chase away i still cant believe how i sit playing tight for 2-3 hours at a table and i come up a loser and a bunch of random fish play every hand and win away. i dont now what to do anymore maybe poker is not for me maybe im blessed with bad luck forever .

Laeelin

09-24-2005, 04:04 AM

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Hmmm, where to start..

Being a good player isnt knowing the rules and odds, it's being able to play correctly FOR THE TABLE YOUR AT...

In other words, love the fish, thats who you want to play. You want them calling bad hands/draws the trick to playing no fold'em hold'em is to plan on them not being willing to fold.

DONT bluff!

TPTK is no longer a great hand, but take stacks with sets/straights/flushes...

limp/call reasonable bets with all low pairs to hit sets.

Learn to drop the f'en hammer when you have a hand.

Dont bet small, bet huge...

$3 pot? bet $6 or $9!

Q. Is poker Gambling?
A. Do you use correct bankroll management?

Greedo017

09-24-2005, 10:35 AM

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so, explain this to me.

- You are playing against a bunch of fishy players
- They are just so bad that you can't beat them
- If only your opposition was better you would win more

???

think about it in terms of say football. You are playing football against another team. You think to yourself, if only their strategy was worse, i think we could beat them?

i betcha that i got something you ain't got, that's called courage, it don't come from no liquor bottle, it ain't scotch

a500lbgorilla

09-24-2005, 12:47 PM

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The average poker player is a losing player. Winning is not easy or something that everyone is doing. It takes time, patience and knowledge. You have to adapt to your opponents. There isn't a book out there for everything to tell you exactly how to do this and that. But we can point you generally in the right direction.

Nut-peddle.

Play good hands preflop, play pairs. Try to flop a set or two pair or some such. Bet this hand and watch the money pile up. Don't worry about bluffing or playing KQo profitably becuase good players do. You don't have to do any of that stuff until your opponents get better. So just try and make a good hand, and bet that good hand.

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jpin109

09-25-2005, 06:39 AM

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guys i really apreciate your help. but what im trying to say is i do play very tight against these fish i only play top hands and try to hit a set or a flush so on and so forth. like here is a situation that happened to me yesterday i had pocket aces and hit a set on the flop so i kept raising and reraising people i even raised before the flop. point of the story is i lost to a guy who called my raises and reraises with 10 7 off suit he hit a straight on the river.

lolzzz_321

09-25-2005, 07:17 AM

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push AI on turn

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Iwind

09-25-2005, 08:16 AM

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Did that last night, all in with AA, I said in chat "call me, you know you want to.." Table chatting can be fun now and then....and of course someone did and I almost doubled up. Another guy said he had a great hand and was so close to calling my all in as well. I asked him what he had, he had KJs...

Aplomado

09-26-2005, 02:31 AM

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Everyone gets bad beats and it sucks every time. Poker is almost never a sure thing. Just because you're a 95% favorite doesn't mean you "should" win the hand. 1 in 20 times you won't, obviously, and that's the one you'll remember.

Why don't you chase flushes and straights? Answer: Because it's not profitable. You know this. You know the odds are against you making that flush or straight, which is what these fishers don't know. Therefore you WANT them to blow their money on these draws. These are the guys you make money off of. Sure they're going to hit it every now and then.

As to why you're barely breaking even, I say play less hands. I thought I was playing tight only playing pairs and Ax a while back, until I checked the top 8 levels of hands you should consider playing (don't remember the source) and found out KJ wasn't even ON one of those levels. That surprised the hell out of me.

The bottom line: only bet big preflop with Aces or Kings, maybe Qs depending on situation. Call with mid to lower pairs and hope to hit a set.

And in most cases only call or make a minimum raise preflop with AK or AQ. Everyone seems to overvalue those hands even though if you miss the flop, which is actually likely, the hands are pretty much worthless.

From the sounds of it, you're seeing flops with Ax, suited connectors, face cards like KJ, etc. Those are leaks at low-stakes tables with a lot of players, IMO. Cut down drastically on the number of hands you play.

And never never never believe anyone is bluffing, because they never do in low-stakes poker. Ring games especially. Wait for a monster and then beat their asses into the ground.

Hope that helps.

Golden_Hand

09-26-2005, 03:30 AM

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Be agressive when you feel you have the best hand. Timid players don't win.

Rondavu

09-27-2005, 01:37 PM

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You are most likely making bad decisions you are unaware of. Most of them are probably in the bet SIZE department, and some in the READ department.

At party poker sng, and especially the $5 variety, you won't be playing a lot of post flop poker. 800 chips is a low amount to manage on a loose table especially. Don't get fancy. Just make a hand and push or trap. Value is almost mute. If you're value betting a lot, then you're doing something wrong.

Make no mistake, you'll spend most of your time protecting your hand with a huge bet. Whether it be AA preflop or JT in late position on a 64T flop.

Post Hand Histories. We'll find holes.

It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.

TalentedTom

09-27-2005, 07:00 PM Post subject: Re: NEED HELP VERY IMPORTANT

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jpin109

in ring games the only hands i play are pocket Aces-10's from all postions and pocket 9's or less i usually limp in if i have solid position cause im afraid to be reraised position.
I also play suited connectors and Ax suited if i also have good position. Pretty much what im getting at is n o matter what site i play on i cant get rid of all these fish type players and its getting annoying as hell.

If your only goal is to many money against fish stop playing suited connectors and Axs, they are very delicate hands that require a lot of tough descion making.
Anything under 1/2NL you can make a killing just playing PP's 22-66 for sets, raising with 77+ and AJs-AKs, and the ocasional QKs if you are middle position or better. Whats amazing is that bad players will never catch of to this, they are in their own world

As for the morons catching rivers to make straights, write their names down and be as friendly to them as possible, they are your new friends.

Tom.S

BIGandRICH

09-28-2005, 04:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aplomado

And in most cases only call or make a minimum raise preflop with AK or AQ. Everyone seems to overvalue those hands even though if you miss the flop, which is actually likely, the hands are pretty much worthless.

i'll have to assume that you mean if there is a raise before you, but if you dont..

dont go min raising.. ever. You dont want to min raise and end up with 7 people in the hand with your AK. I'm sure there are many articles on here about why not to minraise.. i'll let you find those yourself.

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