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Old 06-19-2005, 09:47 AM     Post subject: Need help here #1 (permalink)  
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Unsure what to do here with this top two.. worried he had a straight or a set or something should i have pushed all in?


$100 NL Hold'em - Sunday, June 19, 05:43:09 EDT 2005
Table Table 36575 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: Jkaiaam ( $172.55 )
Seat 3: london001 ( $63.82 )
Seat 4: TMH000 ( $101.8 )
Seat 5: Quittr ( $140.5 )
Seat 6: barronb79 ( $98 )
Seat 7: BalX2 ( $93 )
Seat 8: follen ( $76.73 )
Seat 9: LV_426 ( $91.6 )
Seat 10: Balder10 ( $90.5 )
Seat 1: Kingfish__ ( $99 )
barronb79 posts small blind [$0.5].
BalX2 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Kingfish__ [ Ad Kh ]
follen folds.
LV_426 folds.
Balder10 folds.
>You have options at Table 36646 Table!.
Kingfish__ raises [$3].
Jkaiaam folds.
london001 folds.
TMH000 folds.
Quittr folds.
barronb79 folds.
BalX2 calls [$2].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ac, Kd, Jc ]
BalX2 checks.
Kingfish__ bets [$6].
>You have options at Table 36868 Table!.
BalX2 raises [$25].
>You have options at Table 36646 Table!.
Kingfish__ calls [$19].
>You have options at Table 36534 Table!.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]
>You have options at Table 36868 Table!.
BalX2 bets [$25].
Kingfish__ calls [$25].
** Dealing River ** [ 6c ]
BalX2 is all-In [$40]
Kingfish__ folds.
BalX2 does not show cards.
BalX2 wins $143.5
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Old 06-19-2005, 10:58 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I may have just pushed right back at him on the flop, you have to figure you are ahead. Would he sanely raise huge if he flopped the nut straight or a set? I doubt it, if he's flopped something massive, he will only minraise or smooth call.

The turn sucks for you, I may have laid down here. The river is even worse, he's betting $40 into a $140 pot though, you are quite commited, so I may call here anyway, even though you are most probably beat.
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Old 06-19-2005, 11:21 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Push or fold the turn and I don't like either.

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id fold the flop but if you decide to stay, raise. if you call, you have no information on where he stands.

if you call, foldddd the turn. its getting ugly fast and he certainly doesnt seem afraid of the scare card.

if you're in until the river, i dont think you can fold. folding here is the worst move. just call it down.
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Push or fold the turn and I don't like either.

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id fold the flop but if you decide to stay, raise. if you call, you have no information on where he stands.

if you call, foldddd the turn. its getting ugly fast and he certainly doesnt seem afraid of the scare card.

if you're in until the river, i dont think you can fold. folding here is the worst move. just call it down.
WOW, super weak. You fold the flop?

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Old 06-19-2005, 11:23 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Push or fold the turn and I don't like either.

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Btw, consider reraising the flop. I dunno why I didn't think of that before.

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id fold the flop but if you decide to stay, raise. if you call, you have no information on where he stands.

if you call, foldddd the turn. its getting ugly fast and he certainly doesnt seem afraid of the scare card.

if you're in until the river, i dont think you can fold. folding here is the worst move. just call it down.
WOW, super weak. You fold the flop?

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you bet the flop and get raised. i only consider two options right here...reraise back or fold. i can think of better edges to push than a risky top 2 with a flush draw out there. maybe with the Kc id be more inclined to re-raise back.

it just seems like a board where you MIGHT hold the best hand at the flop but there are so many draws out there, without position, it looks like an avoidable situation.

if im re-raising the flop im committing a large amount of chips into a pot where i can can certainly say i have no idea where i stand.

im willing to wait another day.



basically, i dont really like the idea of investing that much money into this hand. with the flop raise, youre facing 2pair or better...too marginal imo.
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Old 06-19-2005, 11:43 AM #9 (permalink)  
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id fold the flop but if you decide to stay, raise. if you call, you have no information on where he stands.

if you call, foldddd the turn. its getting ugly fast and he certainly doesnt seem afraid of the scare card.

if you're in until the river, i dont think you can fold. folding here is the worst move. just call it down.
WOW, super weak. You fold the flop?

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you bet the flop and get raised. i only consider two options right here...reraise back or fold. i can think of better edges to push than a risky top 2 with a flush draw out there. maybe with the Kc id be more inclined to re-raise back.

it just seems like a board where you MIGHT hold the best hand at the flop but there are so many draws out there, without position, it looks like an avoidable situation.

if im re-raising the flop im committing a large amount of chips into a pot where i can can certainly say i have no idea where i stand.

im willing to wait another day.
You wont always get opportunities to push with Top 2 in an ever tightening online scene. If you play this weak/tight, ops even at 50 NL will know never to give you action when you want it. You've gotta shake this before you will be able to move up orelse you'll be eaten alive.

You're only really beat by 2 hands and this is a great board for adventerous and aggressive opponents to try and bluff away from you.

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Old 06-19-2005, 11:47 AM #10 (permalink)  
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based on the preflop action i think i agree with you now. JJ reraises preflop and AA/KK most certainly follows suit. basically skimmed his raise and the call.


reraise the flop and be willing to let it go on the turn when the scare card hits. the river just makes your hand garbage though.


edit: the trick to this hand is to jam the pot on the flop. there are too many scare cards to your hand. let your opp make the tough decisions.
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Old 06-19-2005, 12:08 PM #11 (permalink)  
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I'd probably shove on the flop. My read is pretty strongly KJ or AJ at that point, and I rarely get that good of reads on the flop.

Just doesn't feel like a set or straight, basically because of the reasons dwarfy said (raised too much).

Looking at the river action, I think it was KcJx, and I feel pretty confident in that.
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