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Old 07-27-2005, 11:22 PM     Post subject: Need help with 2 QQ hands..... #1 (permalink)  
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Hand 1)...No reads on this guy other than he bluffed off a whole buy-in with AK.......so he may have been on tilt, but not positive. Should I be giving him credit for KK, AA here, or is it most likely some mediocre holding like AQ, AK, KQ....etc.....I wanted to call, but couldnt bring myself to do it.

Hand 2)....I played this hand terrible....This was 3 hands after Hand 1 against same opponent....so I didnt want to have to make the same decision I geuss...maybe a small case of tilt. I put myself in a bad position....Should I have reraised and faced the same AI from villian, or do I see how he likes the flop?

FullTiltPoker Game #167037472: Table Decatur - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:34:36 ET - 2005/07/27
Seat 1: Luvcheez ($9.20)
Seat 2: papa24 ($2.55)
Seat 3: One_Jackal ($28.10)
Seat 4: Rosco Coltrane ($6.45)
Seat 5: ccrazy89 ($25.80)
Seat 6: BobbySalami ($9.70)
Seat 7: Marc25 ($5.55), is sitting out
Seat 8: eks ($7.65)
Seat 9: pgriv ($10.45)
Luvcheez posts the small blind of $0.05
papa24 posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BobbySalami [Qs Qc]
One_Jackal folds
Rosco Coltrane raises to $0.35
ccrazy89 folds
BobbySalami raises to $0.70
eks folds
pgriv folds
Luvcheez folds
papa24 folds
Rosco Coltrane raises to $6.45, and is all in
BobbySalami has 15 seconds left to act
BobbySalami: Arghhhhh.....
BobbySalami folds
Uncalled bet of $5.75 returned to Rosco Coltrane
Rosco Coltrane mucks
Rosco Coltrane wins the pot ($1.55)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.55 | Rake $0

Seat 1: Luvcheez (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: papa24 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: One_Jackal didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Rosco Coltrane collected ($1.55), mucked
Seat 5: ccrazy89 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: BobbySalami folded before the Flop
Seat 7: Marc25 is sitting out
Seat 8: eks didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: pgriv (button) didn't bet (folded)

FullTiltPoker Game #167040828: Table Decatur - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:38:26 ET - 2005/07/27
Seat 1: Luvcheez ($9.05)
Seat 2: papa24 ($2.35)
Seat 3: One_Jackal ($27.80)
Seat 4: Rosco Coltrane ($6.80)
Seat 5: ccrazy89 ($26.40)
Seat 6: BobbySalami ($9)
Seat 7: Marc25 ($5.55), is sitting out
Seat 8: eks ($7.65)
Seat 9: pgriv ($10.85)
BobbySalami: nope
ccrazy89 posts the small blind of $0.05
BobbySalami posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BobbySalami [Qd Qh]
eks folds
pgriv calls $0.10
Luvcheez folds
One_Jackal stands up
papa24 folds
One_Jackal folds
Rosco Coltrane raises to $0.45
ccrazy89 folds
BobbySalami calls $0.35
pgriv calls $0.35
*** FLOP *** [2c 9h 6s]
BobbySalami bets $1
pgriv folds
Rosco Coltrane calls $1
*** TURN *** [2c 9h 6s] [8s]
BobbySalami bets $3
Rosco Coltrane folds
Uncalled bet of $3 returned to BobbySalami
BobbySalami mucks
BobbySalami wins the pot ($3.25)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.40 | Rake $0.15

Board: [2c 9h 6s 8s]
Seat 1: Luvcheez didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: papa24 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: One_Jackal didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Rosco Coltrane (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: ccrazy89 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: BobbySalami (big blind) collected ($3.25), mucked
Seat 7: Marc25 is sitting out
Seat 8: eks didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: pgriv folded on the Flop
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Old 07-27-2005, 11:39 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: I GAMB00L it up and call
Hand 2: Easy flop c/r
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Old 07-27-2005, 11:49 PM #3 (permalink)  
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1) Fine fold in my opinion, you wouldn't be hated on for calling either though. I give him credit for AA/KK here with no reads all day long.

2) If you're just calling the raise preflop, I'd definitely go for a checkraise on the flop, the raiser is bound to bet out if it is checked to him, so you had a perfect opportunity.
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Old 07-28-2005, 12:00 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Thanks 4 the replies.....

On Hand 2) I geuss Im not very skilled of when or where to use a check-raise....I see how this situation would have been profitable with a c/r, but what are you looking for in a good opportunity to c/r.
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Old 07-28-2005, 02:14 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Checkraises are good in situaitons like this as dwarfman pointed out: you're calling a preflop raise, which makes your op the aggressor and will most likely bet out. I'm much less likely to go for a checkraise on a board with a flush draw or a high straight draw (unless I think op sometimes raises with middle suited connectors then I'll be wary of straight draws in general) just in case it gets checked around. Usually though, the preflop raiser will bet out... but I don't like taking that chance.
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1) Fine fold in my opinion, you wouldn't be hated on for calling either though. I give him credit for AA/KK here with no reads all day long.
He's got enough of a read to call here. If the other guy has AA/KK, you're paying it off 7 out of 8 times. Oh well.

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On Hand 2) I geuss Im not very skilled of when or where to use a check-raise....I see how this situation would have been profitable with a c/r, but what are you looking for in a good opportunity to c/r.
C/R when you think the other guy will bet, but not likely call or raise a worse hand if you bet.
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Old 07-28-2005, 03:54 PM #7 (permalink)  
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hand 1 is a perfect example of why a re-raise with QQ preflop is so useful, he came over the top and you can fold to what i consider aa or kk most the time. this is why I also re-raise AK preflop.

Only when I see them doin this play with AK AQ AJ (you know them type of players) then i call with QQ but only with a strong read. If you flat call preflop you may of lost alot of chips post flop against aa/kk.

Hand 2, Ops stack is ~5.35 at the turn where the pot is 3.40. Your turn bet of $3 commits you to the pot. If he pushes you have to call ~$2.35 into a ~$11/$12 pot - pot odds if I ever saw them.

In this situation i would leave wiggle room. We're still not sure how strong his hand really is/how much he likes it... he may have kk/aa and with that raggy flop choose to slowplay. I try and think of the perfect bet where you dont look weak but can fold to a push. In this case a $2 bet will make the pot ~$5.40, so if he pushes it will be roughly a pot re-raise giving you 2-1 odds... then its time to make a decision - only likely hands you beat are JJ, A9 and a bluff.
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