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Deanglow
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12-17-2008, 01:11 AM
Post subject: need a calling range 400nl
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Villain is unknown, bought in short, no avatar, limped sb = donk
Consider I raise any 2 here
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6.00 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG+1 ($609)
MP1 ($1225.80)
MP2 ($690.15)
CO ($1109.75)
Button ($647)
SB ($424.90)
Hero (BB) ($621)
UTG ($521.65)
Preflop: Hero is BB with
6 folds, SB calls $3, Hero raises to $24, SB calls $18
Flop: ($48) 2 , J , 3 (2 players)
SB bets $400.90 (All-In), Hero
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daven
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i fold aj here, if that helps any
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Well we need 47% equity to have a BE call here. Him being unknown I'm not sure what his jamming range is (ldo), but if he is shoving 22, 33, JJ+, AK, AJ, KJ and nothing else then we can call with AJ. But I'm unsure how accurate that range is. I wouldn't consider calling any lighter than AJ.
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Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
Well we need 47% equity to have a BE call here. Him being unknown I'm not sure what his jamming range is (ldo), but if he is shoving 22, 33, JJ+, AK, AJ, KJ and nothing else then we can call with AJ. But I'm unsure how accurate that range is. I wouldn't consider calling any lighter than AJ.
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sb doesn't have ak here much.
My stab at villain's range:
22, 33, 99, TT, JJ+, AJ, KJs, and a little bit of ATC - but not enough to matter in this spot...
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True.. AK is a stretch.. I got too caught up in him being a total retard and just threw something in there that would be behind AJ, but have some equity.
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daven
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33?
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
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33? |
yea 33 as well
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whoa sick nits in this thread. i wouldnt even consider folding AJ for one second.
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I don't think I would fold AJ either, what's the worst hand you would call with nutsinho?
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fucking stations
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yea 33 as well |
just remembered why I didn't include 33 was b/c I doubt dean raises it PF here
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whoa sick nits in this thread. i wouldnt even consider folding AJ for one second.
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haha, i was going to say AJ+ for sure but then all these people were like sets only got me thinking twice.
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Originally Posted by daven
i NEVER fold aj here, if that helps any
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AJ is a call for me. KJ might be a lil closer but I probably still call.
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I raise any 2 against a 70bb stack in the big blind, which is party why this is tough....
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ooh I'm going to expand my range b/c I thought this was 2/4
I'm now not folding sets/JJ+
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No one thinks SB wouldn't do this with 99 or TT? I've seen this before.
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my friend (who is a top notch player) and i each independently came up with JT or better. I wouldnt call you a nit if you stuck with QJ or better though...
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J4+
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ship it
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Deanglow
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well i had j4o
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
J4+
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ship it
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
well i had j4o
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OMG the bots can read minds. Head for the hills!
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
J4+
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So J4 but not J2 or J3? Shouldn't that just be Jx?
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Please note that J2 and J3 have made two pair.
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Please note that J2 and J3 have made two pair.
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Noted.
I'm hoping the bot understood that and that's why he said J4, assuming two pair was instacall.
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im pretty sure it was able to process that information
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Originally Posted by bigred
No one thinks SB wouldn't do this with 99 or TT? I've seen this before.
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This. On first read through of the hand i was thinking SB had 99/TT.
That a big bet to call with J4o especially on an unknown.
I fold.
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Could this possibly be 54s to spades, hearts, or diamonds?
Hmm, doesn't seem to matter:
Code:
Board: 2s 3d Jh
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 28.504% 25.12% 03.39% 231023 31134.00 { J4o }
Hand 1: 71.496% 68.11% 03.39% 626419 31134.00 { 99+, 33-22, AJs, KJs, QJs, J2s+, 5d4d, 5h4h, 5s4s, AJo, KJo, QJo, J7o+ }
Against that range for villain, we need at least JTs with the backdoor flush draw or QJo:
Code:
Hand 0: 45.318% 40.59% 04.72% 360495 41946.00 { JTo }
Code:
Hand 0: 47.885% 43.38% 04.51% 42942 4464.00 { JdTd }
Code:
Hand 0: 52.999% 48.64% 04.35% 431979 38670.00 { QJo }
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22, 33, JJ, AA, J4, J3
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im pretty sure it was able to process that information
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imo
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sounds like I need to move up to 400NL where they call my value shoves
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Originally Posted by iopq
sounds like I need to move up to 400NL where they call my value shoves
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Please go to 400NL, limp-call from the SB and open-shove the flop if you flop a monster, and then report on how well it works out for you.
(Any time you flop a monster, you're going to make a lot of money on average. The fact that this shove would get paid off by KJ doesn't actually prove anything.)
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Originally Posted by iopq
sounds like I need to move up to 400NL where they call my value shoves
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Please go to 400NL, limp-call from the SB and open-shove the flop if you flop a monster, and then report on how well it works out for you.
(Any time you flop a monster, you're going to make a lot of money on average. The fact that this shove would get paid off by KJ doesn't actually prove anything.) |
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