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notoriousuli

07-21-2006, 06:17 PM Post subject: my QQ goes down to a set of Jacks - what should I have done?

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Join Date: Jul 2006

Location: Toronto, Canada

Posts: 4

Hi!

This is the first hand history I've posted, so I hope I format everything properly. I read some of the other QQ topics, too.

This tournament was a .10 cent buy-in, so small stakes, with blinds going up every five minutes. I had just been moved to this table three or four hands earlier, so no good reads. On my first hand at this table, I managed to steal the blinds with a big bet. I'd didn't show my hole cards after this steal, so no reason for the table to think I'm particularly loose.

Blinds were at 300/600. I had the second biggest stack on the table. I'd appreciate any criticism or suggestions on where I went wrong.

PokerStars Game #5616915698: Tournament #28151424, $0.10+$0.00 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2006/07/19 - 23:49:12 (ET)

Table '28151424 20' 9-max Seat #8 is the button

Seat 2: Barnew1 (5641 in chips)
Seat 3: AJSuited73 (1470 in chips)
Seat 4: AL-TMR (4590 in chips)
Seat 5: wash (2715 in chips)
Seat 6: dan999 (17025 in chips)
Seat 7: notoriousuli (8415 in chips)
Seat 8: ALRIC17 (1830 in chips)
Seat 9: marnin (2430 in chips)

Barnew1: posts the ante 50
AJSuited73: posts the ante 50
AL-TMR: posts the ante 50
wash: posts the ante 50
dan999: posts the ante 50
notoriousuli: posts the ante 50
ALRIC17: posts the ante 50
marnin: posts the ante 50
marnin: posts small blind 300
Barnew1: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to notoriousuli [Q

]
I like the look of this, especially since I'm in late position. No question I will raise, and I typically raise between 3xBB and 4xBB.

AJSuited73: folds
AL-TMR: calls 600
wash: folds
Capt. Stone is connected
dan999: folds
notoriousuli: raises 1200 to 1800
ALRIC17: folds
marnin: calls 1500 This actually concerns me more than Barnew1's subsequent call, since it pretty much pot commits him.
Barnew1: calls 1200
AL-TMR: calls 1200

*** FLOP *** [J

]
marnin: bets 580 and is all-in
Barnew1: raises 580 to 1160
AL-TMR: folds
notoriousuli: calls 1160 I'm thinking I may be making a mistake here by not raising, not that I would have pushed him off a set . . .

*** TURN *** [J

] [4

]
Barnew1: bets 2631 and is all-in
notoriousuli: calls 2631 This was my chance to get out. I didn't take it. Was Barnew1's all-in an obvious signal he had a set?

*** RIVER *** [J

] [6

]

*** SHOW DOWN ***
Barnew1: shows [K

] (three of a kind, Jacks)
notoriousuli: shows [Q

] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
Barnew1 collected 6422 from side pot
marnin: shows [8

] (two pair, Jacks and Eights)
Barnew1 collected 9340 from main pot

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 15762 Main pot 9340. Side pot 6422. | Rake 0
Board [J

]
Seat 2: Barnew1 (big blind) showed [K

] and won (15762) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 3: AJSuited73 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: AL-TMR folded on the Flop
Seat 5: wash folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: dan999 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: notoriousuli showed [Q

] and lost with two pair, Queens and Jacks
Seat 8: ALRIC17 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: marnin (small blind) showed [8

] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Eights

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AHiltz

07-21-2006, 06:25 PM

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Location: Coldbrook, NS

Posts: 1,589

Wrong forum.

The min raise on the flop woud scare me. I would also bet more preflop. 4x since there was a limper.

And since it was a 10cent buyin, you could be facing any level of moron. Wouldn't surprise me to see a soooted J2 flipped over.

LimpinAintEZ

07-21-2006, 06:28 PM

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you coulda gone all in preflop, but you probably woulda been called by KJ off anyway - You raised pretty big and got 3 callers anyway - Im guessing neither of them were folding there - sucks that they called with KJ, but that is what low stakes tourney players do - I would fold the flop there - 4 players in and a all in followed by a raise (totally not deceptive) was telling you what you needed to know - QQ is a great hand, but when you've got a few players against you and a scary flop, believe them - fold the flop and work with your last 6k+ in chips - your still OKAY chip wise -

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notoriousuli

07-21-2006, 06:53 PM

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Location: Toronto, Canada

Posts: 4

Thanks for the advice. I guess the lesson is that I should think about folding QQ against a sufficiently scary flop, especially if someone does something sneaky like min raise on the flop when I've already come in for a larger pre-flop raise?

Sorry about posting in the wrong forum. Should this have been in the MTT forum?

holdin2

07-21-2006, 08:26 PM

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Join Date: Jan 2006

Posts: 279

Another answer to "what you should have done" with this post besides post it in the right forum

is to not put the result of the hand in THE TITLE OF YOUR POST or in the post itself (generally).

You'll get more unbiased advice and let people try to muddle through it just as you would have during the hand. Results can skew opinion. That's all!

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