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Estrop
Old 12-06-2005, 03:41 PM     Post subject: My mistake #1 (permalink)  
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$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, December 06, 11:34:27 EDT 2005
Table Table 69209 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: bigdogjack ( $107.15 )
Seat 2: Estrop ( $100 )
Seat 3: Shockey8053 ( $119.90 )
Seat 4: dtomkins ( $127 )
Seat 5: Scorpio996 ( $73.75 )
Seat 6: L_Dawg99 ( $62.65 )
Seat 7: tuffhguy1 ( $98.50 )
Seat 8: PayForWiew ( $100 )
Seat 9: Levanakl ( $99 )
Seat 10: rockinrayg ( $36.50 )
bigdogjack posts small blind [$0.50].
Estrop posts big blind [$1].
Levanakl posts big blind + dead [$1.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Estrop [ Kh Ks ]
>You have options at Table 68786 Table!.
Shockey8053 folds.
dtomkins folds.
Scorpio996 folds.
L_Dawg99 folds.
tuffhguy1 folds.
PayForWiew calls [$1].
>You have options at Table 67011 Table!.
Levanakl checks.
rockinrayg raises [$3].
>You have options at Table 67011 Table!.
>You have options at Table 65544 Table!.
bigdogjack calls [$2.50].
>You have options at Table 64694 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 67011 Table!.
Estrop raises [$11].
PayForWiew calls [$11].
>You have options at Table 68786 Table!.
Levanakl folds.
>You have options at Table 67011 Table!.
rockinrayg folds.
bigdogjack folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kd, Jc, Qd ]
>You have options at Table 67011 Table!.
Estrop bets [$13].
PayForWiew calls [$13].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6s ]
>You have options at Table 65544 Table!.
Estrop checks.
PayForWiew checks.
** Dealing River ** [ Tc ]
Estrop checks.
PayForWiew is all-In [$75]
Estrop folds.
PayForWiew does not show cards.
PayForWiew wins $129.65

Is a check on the turn here a good idea if I believe the guy has something like QJ, AQ, QQ or JJ, trying to show as if I have nothing then get him to bet heavy into me so I can destack him on the river? There is no way I could call the river, I'm just wondering if I can say its a mistake to check this turn?
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Old 12-06-2005, 03:52 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 id push the flop i think
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Old 12-06-2005, 04:01 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Bet more on the flop, at least 2/3 pot.
Dont check the turn - on such a scary board most hands check behind (hands like KQ, QQ, JJ etc wont fold anyways but you are giving flush draws\straight draws a possible free card). Also you want a nice pot when the river comes the T of diamonds.
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Old 12-06-2005, 04:02 PM #4 (permalink)  
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id push the flop i think
I hope you are making a joke.
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Old 12-06-2005, 04:03 PM #5 (permalink)  
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First question: what hands call your $11 PFR?
I bet the flop heavier too. You will get lots of callers that are behind -- AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AK, maybe TT. I don't fear AT with $11 PFR. Push harder on flop, you are ahead of so many hands that will call. . . make them pay dearly.
Bet big on the turn too, you have a caller on the flop, why give them a free card? Hammer it home baby, you dominate soooooo many hands!
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Old 12-06-2005, 04:17 PM     Post subject: Re: My mistake #6 (permalink)  
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Is a check on the turn here a good idea if I believe the guy has something like QJ, AQ, QQ or JJ, trying to show as if I have nothing then get him to bet heavy into me so I can destack him on the river? There is no way I could call the river, I'm just wondering if I can say its a mistake to check this turn?
The problem I see with that is he has to feel he is way ahead here to bet hard into you. AQ is certainly not going to feel way ahead. JJ, QQ, AK could bet into you but there is no indication he feels that strongly after the flop. Bet the turn, make him pay.
Let it go on the river.
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Old 12-06-2005, 04:56 PM     Post subject: Re: My mistake #7 (permalink)  
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Is a check on the turn here a good idea if I believe the guy has something like QJ, AQ, QQ or JJ, trying to show as if I have nothing then get him to bet heavy into me so I can destack him on the river? There is no way I could call the river, I'm just wondering if I can say its a mistake to check this turn?
The problem I see with that is he has to feel he is way ahead here to bet hard into you. AQ is certainly not going to feel way ahead. JJ, QQ, AK could bet into you but there is no indication he feels that strongly after the flop. Bet the turn, make him pay.
Let it go on the river.
Yes, I agree. I just felt way ahead and as if my check on the turn would make his not so good hand call a bet on the river, instead of just throwing it on the turn.
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