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my first instinct was to call but I felt a check raise..

  
 
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DimitriT
Old 07-18-2005, 02:03 AM     Post subject: my first instinct was to call but I felt a check raise.. #1 (permalink)  
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my first instinct was to call but I felt a check raise would show more strength. My read was that he busted his draw but when he came over the top of the check raise I lost my nerve

PokerStars Game #2127060880: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2005/07/17 - 21:32:03 (ET)
Table 'Gilgamesh' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Blizz ($86 in chips)
Seat 2: Queezy ($84.85 in chips)
Seat 3: DimitriT ($62.35 in chips)
Seat 4: Sam01234 ($16.30 in chips)
Seat 5: pepperpot ($36.15 in chips)
Seat 6: CVBCool1 ($52.35 in chips)
Seat 7: Jayzzz4040 ($87.25 in chips)
Seat 8: jacksrob ($17.80 in chips)
Seat 9: riggie711 ($21.05 in chips)
DimitriT: posts small blind $0.25
Sam01234: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DimitriT [Ad Ts]
pepperpot: folds
CVBCool1: folds
Jayzzz4040: calls $0.50
jacksrob: folds
riggie711: calls $0.50
Blizz: folds
Queezy: folds
DimitriT: calls $0.25
Sam01234: checks
*** FLOP *** [5h Jh Td]
DimitriT: bets $2
Sam01234: folds
Jayzzz4040: calls $2
riggie711: folds
*** TURN *** [5h Jh Td] [8d]
DimitriT: bets $3
Jayzzz4040: calls $3
*** RIVER *** [5h Jh Td 8d] [2s]
DimitriT: checks
Jayzzz4040: bets $6
DimitriT: raises $6 to $12
Sam01234 is disconnected
Sam01234 is connected
Jayzzz4040: raises $13 to $25
DimitriT: folds
Jayzzz4040 collected $34.25 from pot
Jayzzz4040: shows [Qc Ks] (high card King)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $36 | Rake $1.75
Board [5h Jh Td 8d 2s]
Seat 1: Blizz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Queezy (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: DimitriT (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 4: Sam01234 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: pepperpot folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: CVBCool1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Jayzzz4040 collected ($34.25)
Seat 8: jacksrob folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: riggie711 folded on the Flop
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Old 07-18-2005, 02:23 AM #2 (permalink)  
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the two moves dont make sense. You check-raise a hand you think has zero value. The only reason to do that is to try and induce a bluff that you then call.

Just a lot of confusion on the river.

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Old 07-18-2005, 02:35 AM #3 (permalink)  
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the two moves dont make sense. You check-raise a hand you think has zero value. The only reason to do that is to try and induce a bluff that you then call.

Just a lot of confusion on the river.

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I almost understand this so bear with me..

how does a check raise induce a bluff?
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Old 07-18-2005, 03:07 AM #4 (permalink)  
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A check-raise only induces a bluff from total maniacs.

Your check-raise on the river really doesn't make sense. If you're right and he missed a draw, then he just folds his hand. If you're wrong then he calls or raises and you lose more.
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Old 07-18-2005, 03:44 AM #5 (permalink)  
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If you think he had a busted draw why not check/call and induce a bluff? Check raising in this situation is nothing but bad news.
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the two moves dont make sense. You check-raise a hand you think has zero value. The only reason to do that is to try and induce a bluff that you then call.

Just a lot of confusion on the river.

-'rilla
I almost understand this so bear with me..

how does a check raise induce a bluff?
Then why are you check-raising? A busted draw can't just call a check-raise. Neither can a worse hand. This is a completely missguided move unless it was in hopes of inducing a maniac to come over the top.

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