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d0zer
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06-03-2008, 01:41 AM
Post subject: Moving up to 200NL
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I'm feeling comfortable at 100NL. Most ongame regs seem worse and worse the better I get, and there's still plenty of total donks to keep padding my BR. I just hit my BR goal for 200NL so...it's time.
I feel kinda stupid starting yet another one of these threads as this'll be my third of the sort, and I always get the same sort of answers every time.
It's the same game with the same stations, laggs & taggs to deal with. I know this, I just need to keep my cool as the numbers double as I've already done a few times before.
I hear the game gets more aggressive as the limits go up, and that's been my experience so far. I even see villains with almost stationey stats 3-betting JJ/AK, which is certainly something I never saw down at the micros. So I should expect a bit more 3-betting preflop, more semi-bluff pushes etc..?
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BankItDrew
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There are a lot of regs that raise from the button vs blinds a very high % of the time. These same players also have high % raising in blind vs blind situations. Take note and come back over the top more frequently.
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d0zer
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
There are a lot of regs that raise from the button vs blinds a very high % of the time. These same players also have high % raising in blind vs blind situations. Take note and come back over the top more frequently.
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I imagine the PT3 3betting stat will change the game a bit between regs, as blind defense'll prolly make up a fair bit of that stat... 
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daven
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i have no idea... but surely you already know how 200nl plays 
good luck. Maybe I should get to ongame? Hell, I'm apparently rolled for 200nl, just too conservative...
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Deanglow
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From what I hear Ongame is a lot more passive than most sites. At Stars 100NL and 200NL are not very different. The regulars are slightly better but nowhere near as good as 400NL regs.
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Seabass
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There are some more active, good regs but not that many that it's a concern.
Try to get a solid position on the tables now that you just moved up. If you do that it should a easy ride.
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XTR1000
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The average gap between vpip and pfr will close a bit. people will start defending their blinds slightly more and you´ll get 3bet more often.
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d0zer
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Originally Posted by Seabass
Try to get a solid position on the tables now that you just moved up. If you do that it should a easy ride.
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I'm not sure what you mean...
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PapalRage
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Originally Posted by d0zer
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Originally Posted by Seabass
Try to get a solid position on the tables now that you just moved up. If you do that it should a easy ride.
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I'm not sure what you mean... |
I think he means practice a bit of table/seat selection.
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ndultimate.
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d0zer
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I find seat selection near impossible to practice when you're at the mercy of wait lists.
I've been practicing decent table selection since 25NL. At ongame during peak hours table selection is easy. dozens of + 20BB avg pot tables, & even a few with 30%+ seeing flop.
I bail on tables when there aren't any obvious loose players left, but at ongame that doesn't happen very often.
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BankItDrew
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Seat selection:
Let's say for example that you multi-table 7 tables. Select 10 tables and play on the first 7 that become available. This could be a mixture of waiting list and tables that are not yet full (fill up a table, don't sit down where more than 2 seats are available.
My criteria for table selection is simple. Place yourself at the highest flop %. Size of pot is a small factor. Example: I would prefer a 25% + $30 table over a 23% + $40 table.
I'm usually happily seated within 15 minutes. One other thing: I don't do this but maybe I should start - consider stack sizes close to you and throughout. This will depend on your comfort level with what type you'd rather play against.
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Keilah
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Mostly I just mind that, of the two people to my right and the three to my left, no more than two and preferably no more than one are decent regulars.
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Seabass
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I'm sure you know about these things and if you don't there is already nice tips posted.
But a nice start at the new stakes is worth a lot!! So try to be a bit more picky then usual, thats all. 
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d0zer
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That's an interesting table selection guide from our favorite bot.
Inneresting cause I used to value seeflop% more than avgPot, but I switched that up back at 50NL and thought I was happy with the results
I'll giver a go. Didn't I ask you this question on friday?
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BankItDrew
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Originally Posted by d0zer
That's an interesting table selection guide from our favorite bot.
Inneresting cause I used to value seeflop% more than avgPot, but I switched that up back at 50NL and thought I was happy with the results
I'll giver a go. Didn't I ask you this question on friday? |
No. I had no idea you decided to give the big boys a try
In regards to the seeflop% and avgPot, stick with what works. If you have found amazing sick results playing a certain amount of tables while selecting a specific set of tables - don't change.
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d0zer
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Well...'amazingly sick' is a bit of an overstatement, but I've been running 4-5ptbb/100 at 100NL, so my table selection can't be too terrible.
I do try to stay away from the big avg pot sized tables that only have like 15% seeing flop. I always figure those tables have just seen some crazy action between nits recently. Conversely, when I see low avg pot tables that have a high% seeing flop I figure that it's
a) a bunch of stations that give up easily on the flop
b) a bunch of stations that just haven't happened to hit anything recently
c) a table that recently filled up & it was shorthanded for a while.
I think I will start having a more integrated approach to table selection...me thinks I'm weighing avg pot size too much maybe. Also i think I need to stay away from tables with like 4+ already on the waiting list. The chance of the maniacs busting out by the time you get there has gotta be good...
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BankItDrew
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4-5ptbb/100 is a great winrate. I'd try to minimize change. Nice analysis on your abc's, I never thought of those.
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pokerfan
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folks, Is anyone here using SpadeEye for Table selection? i Heard nothing but good news about this software.
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