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04-07-2008, 03:35 PM
Post subject: Moving from 50NL to 100NL.
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I'm not going to change anything initially -- just start with the fairly tight postflop game that's worked for me. I made the mistake of changing too much when I went from 25NL to 50NL, so this time I'm not going to change anything initially. I've started running closer to 14/11 now. Stopped limping in EP, I'm stealing more in LP/isolating limpers etc...
What tables should I be raising low PPs in EP? Tighter tables? I started kinda doing this blindly for a while, but it seems that looser tables I just get into too many 4-ways OOP with a low PP.
I've already had some experience with nitty regs at 50NL, so I imagine my gameplan shouldn't change much vs them...
Any words of wisdom for me FTR?
Oh, I'd like to thank everyone here at the FR forum. I swear this forum did more for my game than almost anything else. I woulda never gone from being way under rolled at 25NL to 100NL in a few months without you f'n guys 
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50 and 100 play the same. The donk pool is large still. Don't change a thing in your game.
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50 and 100 play the same. The donk pool is large still. Don't change a thing in your game.
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Agreed, my stats over both are almost identical with a fairly decent sample size and win rates are similar (50K hand comparison). People will stack off easier with a full stack at 50NL, but to me, the shorties seem to be much worse at 100NL.
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50 and 100 play the same. The donk pool is large still.
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you will be definitely fine as long as you avoid playing a big pots with marginal holdings in some tough spots( including top pair hands) vs regulars.
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you will be definitely fine as long as you avoid playing a big pots with marginal holdings in some tough spots( including top pair hands) vs regulars.
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That's something I've already incorporated into my game. Same thing applies at 25/50NL fer sure.
I suspected the two weren't all that different -- thanks for the confirmation guys I've played about 1k hands at 100NL before (BR donking around), and it didn't seem all that different.
I get the impression that the 100NL - 200NL jump is far more significant than the 50NL-100NL jump...
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yesssssss, sir. this is why i 'm a small profit winner in 200NL but a huge winner in 100nl.
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I get the impression that the 100NL - 200NL jump is far more significant than the 50NL-100NL jump...
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The key to this step is what everyone else has already mentioned: Do not change your game. Required changes will slowly develop as you quickly realize the biggest differences between both 50 and 100.
The fish pool is large, not as large, but it's still noticeable. You will notice that each jump northward is much more difficult than the previous. Also, don't be too discouraged with having to move back down (not implying anything). I think I made 3 attempts @ 100nl before I finally had constant success.
Good play to you! You're going to love the amount of cash you can make as a regular 100nl'er.
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I think the play actually gets worse going up from 50NL to 100NL. I find 50NL to be a rockier. The jump to 200NL is a bit tougher and to 400NL requires some serious dedication.
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So far I have found the general standard of play worse as Dean says but there are some ninja regs who actually know what they are doing.
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04-07-2008, 07:38 PM
Post subject: Re: Moving from 50NL to 100NL.
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I was going to reply, but how can I? I'm not at 50nl yet.
gl, and let us know how you deal with those ninjas...
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What tables should I be raising low PPs in EP? Tighter tables? I started kinda doing this blindly for a while, but it seems that looser tables I just get into too many 4-ways OOP with a low PP.
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*puts on ninja reg mask*
I think I'll maybe start 6-tabling instead of my usual 9 for a few hundred hands until I get used to the big scary numbers.
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*puts on ninja reg mask*
I think I'll maybe start 6-tabling instead of my usual 9 for a few hundred hands until I get used to the big scary numbers.
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I'm thinking the same thing for when I move up.
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There are about 10 decent regulars combined at 100NL at 200NL while at 400NL I can think of about 40. Just continue to play a good tight solid game and you will win at least 2ptbb/100
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There are about 10 decent regulars combined at 100NL at 200NL while at 400NL I can think of about 40. Just continue to play a good tight solid game and you will win at least 2ptbb/100
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I'm probably going to need some sort of crash-course in playing the more uncreative nitty regs as I imagine more of them are gunna be popping up at 100NL. So far I've basically just stayed the hell away from em', but maybe you mid-stake sharks have some tips for winning something from these guys instead of just side-stepping em'...
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There are about 10 decent regulars combined at 100NL at 200NL while at 400NL I can think of about 40. Just continue to play a good tight solid game and you will win at least 2ptbb/100
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I'm probably going to need some sort of crash-course in playing the more uncreative nitty regs as I imagine more of them are gunna be popping up at 100NL. So far I've basically just stayed the hell away from em', but maybe you mid-stake sharks have some tips for winning something from these guys instead of just side-stepping em'... |
for starters, you could try 3 betting them more often, but only when they are raising in LP or in MP as the first one in. Secondly, I'd be trying to look for more cheap showdowns when you do have a flop. Try checking the turn more often when you're unsure as to where you are in a hand.
So, more aggressive preflop, more checks on the turn, cheap showdowns. The idea is to keep the pot as small as possible. This might be a contradiction with the re-raise preflop, but the idea there is to end it quickly and steal their steals.
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for starters, you could try 3 betting them more often, but only when they are raising in LP or in MP as the first one in. Secondly, I'd be trying to look for more cheap showdowns when you do have a flop. Try checking the turn more often when you're unsure as to where you are in a hand.
So, more aggressive preflop, more checks on the turn, cheap showdowns. The idea is to keep the pot as small as possible. This might be a contradiction with the re-raise preflop, but the idea there is to end it quickly and steal their steals.
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Yeah I've started defending my blinds a little more liberally from LP raisers who don't have like a 3% PFR. I rarely end up in any flops with nits where I have a tough decision. Usually they just seem to be sethunting and will fold to a c-bet, or they hit something, c/r me & the fold is easy.
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04-08-2008, 12:14 AM
Post subject: Re: Moving from 50NL to 100NL.
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What tables should I be raising low PPs in EP? Tighter tables? I started kinda doing this blindly for a while, but it seems that looser tables I just get into too many 4-ways OOP with a low PP.
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I would c/f more, maybe call the button if it's a passive table and he'll let off the gas. More generally, I'd play it like I'd play AKo that missed.
Generally, I don't think you shouldn't be cbetting weak holdings in 4-way pots. You've only invested 4bb, just let it go.
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what kinda maniac c-bets air in 4-ways?
*looks around for Fnord*
I rarely do that in 3-ways...
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I've played about 1k hands at 100NL before (BR donking around), and it didn't seem all that different.
I get the impression that the 100NL - 200NL jump is far more significant than the 50NL-100NL jump...
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where did you get that impression from  sounds as though it's true though....
Congrats on moving up so well until now, and play well and kick arse with this current move. I'll be moving sites in May, and probably moving up in June (?whenever my br hits the magic number....), so it could be a while before you gotta watch out to your left again...
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what kinda maniac c-bets air in 4-ways?
*looks around for Fnord*
I rarely do that in 3-ways...
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I think the play actually gets worse going up from 50NL to 100NL. I find 50NL to be a rockier. The jump to 200NL is a bit tougher and to 400NL requires some serious dedication.
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This is amazingly true! At 50NL you don't have the 30/2 or 40/3 guys you see at 100NL! Plus villains bluff a lot more which is perfect when you have the goods
And someone already said don't be discourage at having to move down. What I did was that I would move down if I lost 5 buyins at 100NL.
GL on moving up!
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First night of 100NL last night. Played for 2 hrs and was up almost 3 buyins. So far my experience is that it's at least as fishy as 50NL. Slightly less tables at UB, but still not hard to find 20BB avg pot size, 30%+ to a pot tables during the prime evening time.
Quickly moved to 9 tabling and got in my ol' groove. Isolate/c-betted in LP with junk like it was goin' outta style & got burned at basically my average rate.
Was unsure in a few situations, will post a few hands later...
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fucking right on man. i found the hardest part to be simply adjusting to the numbers, which are only doubled.
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fucking right on man. i found the hardest part to be simply adjusting to the numbers, which are only doubled.
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Yeah, the game really hasn't changed noticeably. I think it's easier for me to get used to the numbers change now after already having moved from 25NL to 50NL. That was intimidating I remember, but now that I've been through that I'm starting to get it more in my head that it's the same game with the same rules of levelage, I just need to only think in units.
BBs, 1/2 pot, 1/3d pot etc... which is coming more naturally for me now. The first couple times a lagg bet $35 into me admittedly there was some apprehension. Then I was like "wtf, I got kings as an overpair and this guy's a maniac....POOOSH"
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I need to think in units.
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6 words that equal success in moving to 100nl from 50nl.
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I need to think in units.
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6 words that equal success in moving to 100nl from 50nl. |
I guess I'll need more than 6 words when moving to 200nl, eh?
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still basically the same 6 words so far in my experience. the biggest difference I've noticed so far is that people don't like to play big pots without the nuts/set. Which is fun for bluffy spewtards like myself.
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still basically the same 6 words so far in my experience. the biggest difference I've noticed so far is that people don't like to play big pots without the nuts/set. Which is fun for bluffy spewtards like myself.
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I've long anticipated the 'nosebleed' stakes for their increased bluff profitability. Yes 200NL is the 'nosebleeds' when you're still mentally at 25NL
I've largely cut out my double-triple barreling ways after getting burned at the micros too often but...that sounds like fun
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I've played about 1k hands at 100NL before (BR donking around), and it didn't seem all that different.
I get the impression that the 100NL - 200NL jump is far more significant than the 50NL-100NL jump...
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where did you get that impression from sounds as though it's true though....
Congrats on moving up so well until now, and play well and kick arse with this current move. I'll be moving sites in May, and probably moving up in June (?whenever my br hits the magic number....), so it could be a while before you gotta watch out to your left again... |
You BR nit! You gotta bigger roll than me, school the hell outta 50NL and still aren't moving up?
I shouldn't be encouraging you. The last thing I need is to watch my left for your sharky ass. The 50NL regs at UB are laughable & the 100NL regs haven't impressed me yet. Lots of 20/5s, even 30/2 regs, or 6/5 types. Rare to find even a 14/10 tagg and I've never seen a 14/12 type...
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