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04-04-2008, 10:23 PM Post subject: More rustiness obv

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Its been so long since I played poker this much regularly... he's some more hands I thought I played badly that I need confirmation on.

Hand #1: Not much of a read on CO, little bit loose hand selection PF though.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP3 ($3.15)
CO ($39.45)
Button ($24.05)
SB ($24.75)
BB ($5)
UTG ($25)
Hero ($24.10)
MP1 ($17.55)
MP2 ($49.55)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J

, Q

.
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1, 1 fold, CO calls $1, 3 folds.

Flop: ($3.35) 8

, 4

, J

(3 players)
Hero bets $1.25, MP2 calls $1.25, CO raises to $7, Hero raises to $23.1, MP2 folds, CO calls $16.10.

Hand #2: SB is laggy.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

UTG ($23.20)
UTG+1 ($24.65)
MP1 ($8.70)
MP2 ($10.90)
CO ($15)
Hero ($25.10)
SB ($12.20)
BB ($35.70)

Preflop: Hero is Button with

.
4 folds, CO calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, SB calls $0.90, BB calls $0.75, CO calls $0.75.

Flop: ($4)

(4 players)
SB bets $11.2 (All-In), BB folds, CO folds, Hero calls $11.20.

Hand #3: CO is laggy.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Button ($25)
SB ($51.40)
Hero ($37.20)
UTG ($24.15)
UTG+1 ($5.85)
MP1 ($4.65)
MP2 ($27.95)
CO ($8.75)

Preflop: Hero is BB with

.
4 folds, CO calls $0.25, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0.75)

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.75, CO calls $0.75, SB folds.

Turn: ($2.25)

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.5, CO calls $1.50.

River: ($5.25)

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $6.25 (All-In), Hero calls $6.25.

Final Pot: $17.75

Hand #4: SB is relatively nitty

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Button ($12.90)
SB ($24.50)
BB ($32.45)
UTG ($12.60)
UTG+1 ($25.60)
MP1 ($10)
MP2 ($4.65)
Hero ($27.40)
CO ($30.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with

.
4 folds, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, SB raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.

Flop: ($6.25)

(2 players)
SB bets $3, Hero raises to $8, SB raises to $15.5, Hero raises to $24.4, SB calls $6 (All-In).

Hand #5: MP3 is a tagg.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Hero ($29.45)
MP1 ($24.30)
MP2 ($26.05)
MP3 ($25.15)
CO ($16.30)
Button ($50.45)
SB ($22.15)
BB ($66.50)
UTG ($30.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with

. UTG posts a blind of $0.35.
UTG (poster) checks, Hero raises to $1, MP1 calls $1, 1 fold, MP3 calls $1, 4 folds, UTG folds.

Flop: ($3.70)

(3 players)
Hero bets $2.5, MP1 folds, MP3 calls $2.50.

Turn: ($8.70)

(2 players)
Hero bets $6, MP3 calls $6.

River: ($20.70)

(2 players)
Hero bets $5, MP3 raises to $15.65, Hero calls $10.65.

Final Pot: $52

Hand #6: Button is very very laggy.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Button ($16.55)
SB ($12.30)
BB ($13)
UTG ($7)
UTG+1 ($62.65)
MP1 ($4.90)
Hero ($67.75)
CO ($16.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with

.
UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, Button raises to $2.25, SB calls $2.15, 1 fold, UTG calls $2, Hero calls $1.25.

Flop: ($9.25)

(4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, Button bets $6, SB folds, UTG folds, Hero raises to $33, Button calls $8.30 (All-In).

Hand #7: SB is slightly laggy.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Hero ($27.60)
UTG ($24.50)
UTG+1 ($30.40)
MP1 ($31.90)
MP2 ($16.55)
MP3 ($4)
CO ($29.80)
Button ($41.45)
SB ($32.55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with

.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 5 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0.75)

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.

Turn: ($0.75)

(3 players)
SB bets $1, Hero calls $1, UTG+1 folds.

River: ($2.75)

(2 players)
SB bets $4, Hero raises to $10, SB raises to $19.25, Hero raises to $26.35, SB calls $7.10.

Final Pot: $55.45

Hand #8: BB is very nitty ex 2k NL player

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Button ($7.55)
SB ($21.70)
BB ($51.05)
UTG ($3.50)
UTG+1 ($14.15)
MP1 ($18.45)
MP2 ($18)
Hero ($24.40)

Preflop: Hero is CO with

.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.10)

(4 players)
BB bets $0.75, UTG+1 calls $0.75, MP1 folds, Hero calls $0.75.

Turn: ($3.35)

(3 players)
BB bets $2, UTG+1 calls $2, Hero raises to $5, BB calls $3, UTG+1 folds.

River: ($15.35)

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8, BB raises to $45.05, Hero calls $10.40 (All-In).

Final Pot: $52.15

Hand #9: Button is very fishy lagg

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

MP3 ($25)
CO ($17.65)
Button ($18.15)
SB ($14.10)
BB ($16.15)
UTG ($25.25)
UTG+1 ($25.45)
Hero ($34.20)
MP2 ($37.20)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with

.
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, CO calls $1, Button calls $1, 2 folds.

Flop: ($3.35)

(3 players)
Hero bets $3, CO folds, Button raises to $8, Hero raises to $33.2, Button calls $9.15 (All-In).

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04-04-2008, 10:55 PM

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04-04-2008, 11:09 PM

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looks like you used to play essengees

04-04-2008, 11:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Renton

looks like you used to play essengees

ldo

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04-04-2008, 11:50 PM

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1: fold pre fold pre fold pre. Bet like 2.5 on flop. I can't really advise past this point. I think he can have a lot of draws so your shove is very marginal but may be good.

2: I would probably fold here but its definitely close. He's overbetting into 4 players so you are drawing dead or coinflipping, and you aren't getting very good odds.

3: i would c/f turn, i would fold river as played. I don't think you are splitting quite enough here.

4: its fine

5: more on flop, more on turn, i would check fold river. You basically chose the worst option on the river, imo c/f > shove > betting small like you did.

6: fine

7: bet flop, for some reason i want to just call the river, seems like he's either bluffing or has a really really huge hand. I guess he could have 63 or 83. This seems fine.

8: i guess you have to fold river. he's never bluffing and he never is valuebetting worse.

9: this is totally fine

don't post so many hands at once, you'll get more replies.

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04-05-2008, 12:00 AM

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Hand1: Fold to the flop re-raise
Hand2: Don't call the overpush
Hand3: Fold river
Hand4: 4-bet or fold pre. A 25NL nit isn't getting fancy defending his blinds here.

Hand5: mMmmm...I guess I don't mind up till river, but c/c is better than b/c on the river.

Hand6: Don't like the 3-bet call pre. AQo multi-way isn't good. AQs I like more. 4-bet or fold IMO.

Hand7: Bet the flop. Play 2pr faster.

Hand8: Raise pre to isolate. As played raise turn more.

Hand9: I think I do this vs a LAGG also...

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04-05-2008, 12:47 AM

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Quote:

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Hand4: 4-bet or fold pre. A 25NL nit isn't getting fancy defending his blinds here.

Hand5: mMmmm...I guess I don't mind up till river, but c/c is better than b/c on the river.

Hand6: Don't like the 3-bet call pre. AQo multi-way isn't good. AQs I like more. 4-bet or fold IMO.

i don't much like your advice. A call is super standard in hand 4. 4betting makes too many hands fold and folding is absolutely awful. Hand 5, bet call is clearly better than c/c, as he is likely to only bet hands that beat us if we check. Hand 6, you can't fold this pre with these odds.

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04-05-2008, 02:38 PM

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04-05-2008, 05:30 PM

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Quote:

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Renton

Right...I forgot to put my "I'm a f'n donk so take my advice with a grain of salt" disclaimer.

Hand 4: So many 25NL nits don't 3-bet without QQ+/AK. I suggested 4-betting to force this nit to define his hand. As it stands, you don't know if you're good on the flop. How do we play the flop on this safe board after flatting? Do we get it in with QQ as an overpair? Do you like the flop raise?

So you would be 4-betting for info and not value? That seems bad to me. Yes I plan to get it in on most safe flops at this limit, although there is not much harm to peeling a street on Jxx and folding to the second barrel.

Hand 5: You don't think a TAG would try to bluff this river to rep flush? I guess he's calling with AJ/KJ/QQ/KK, so that's probably enough?

Why would he turn a made hand into a bluff, he called down two streets so he can't have air.

Hand6: See I've always felt these spots are real dodgy. This is probably just me wanting to avoid difficult post-flop decisions, but I've always hated flatting a min-3bet (despite odds) with AQo cause it plays terribly in multi-ways and is well behind most 25NL'ers 3-betting range so you can't be all that confident on many flops that you hit.

OIC he's a lagg and a halfstack. Is that what I'm missing here?

Yes, he's crazy and short enough that we are easily priced in to call and stack off on a pair.

04-05-2008, 05:40 PM

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Cheers for the help gents!

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04-05-2008, 06:40 PM

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Cheers renton

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04-06-2008, 08:52 AM

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Haven't read the other replies (other than my snark)
Hand 1: This is why you shouldn't play this from EP. I would surrender to his position and passive play.
Hand 2: Standard, raise more pre-flop if you can get away with it.
Hand 3: I would check/raise the turn all-in given the read.
Hand 4: Fold pre-flop. It's sick and you're exploiting him, hate on it all you want to.
Hand 5: It depends. I think you induce a bluff if he's a thinking player, but given the level I don't think they follow thorugh often enough. I mix up my turn play here.
Hand 6: I would re-raise to $8 pre-flop and shove any flop. Fail that, I play it the same.
Hand 7: Sometimes I play the flop or turn fast. Otherwise it's a very boring hand. Suspect player and you got lots of money into the pot with a full house.
Hand 8: You need to make a stronger turn raise. Stop tipping your hands so much.
Hand 9: Standard. I hope you sucked out on him.

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