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GatorJH

03-11-2008, 03:53 AM Post subject: more hands to review = more learning for me

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Hopefully these are better than the last group.

Hand 1 - Early on and no reads. The min bets just seamed really weak but I had a hard time putting him on too many hands that I beat on the river that would call a bet and I didn't want to throw out a value bet and have it raised. Bad thinking?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($14.40)
SB ($18.35)
BB ($16.45)
UTG ($13.45)
MP1 ($13.50)
Hero ($24.65)
CO ($19.30)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q

, K

.
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 3 folds, BB calls $0.50.

Flop: ($1.60) T

, K

, 5

(2 players)
BB bets $0.5, Hero raises to $1.75, BB calls $1.25.

Turn: ($5.10) T

(2 players)
BB bets $0.5, Hero raises to $4, BB calls $3.50.

River: ($13.10) 4

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Hand 2 - The main reason to show this hand is a setup for the next hand. MP1 had seen every flop since he sat down, but had folded on the flop or turn unless he hit something. CO wasn't much better at folding.

Renton's pre-flop guide says I should have limped with this from the SB and I think I definitely should have here with someone who is this loose, correct?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

UTG ($25)
MP1 ($25.85)
MP2 ($10.30)
CO ($24.50)
Button ($25.90)
Hero ($32.45)
BB ($11.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with

.
1 fold, MP1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, CO calls $0.25, Button raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.25, 1 fold, MP1 calls $2, CO calls $2, Button calls $1.50.

Flop: ($9.25)

(4 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO bets $6.25, Button folds, Hero folds, MP1 calls $6.25.

Turn: ($21.75)

(2 players)
MP1 checks, CO bets $11, MP1 raises to $17.35, CO calls $5 (All-In).

River: ($53.75)

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $53.75

Results in white below:
MP1 has Qc 4c (one pair, nines).
CO has 6h 5h (two pair, nines and sixes).
Outcome: CO wins $53.75.

Hand 3 - Villian is now MP3. His call on the flop has me concerned but is there enough of a chance that he hit the 2 or 5 for me to bet here again? If I do lead out how much?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

MP1 ($24.50)
MP2 ($19.25)
MP3 ($29.20)
CO ($12.10)
Button ($34.15)
SB ($49.15)
BB ($24.70)
Hero ($30.20)
UTG+1 ($9.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with

.
Hero raises to $1, UTG+1 calls $1, 2 folds, MP3 calls $1, 4 folds.

Flop: ($3.35)

(3 players)
Hero bets $3.5, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls $3.50.

Turn: ($10.35)

(2 players)
Hero ???

Hand 4 - New table and no reads. Question 1 - Should I re-raise preflop here or is the flat call standard? Also is a check-raise with this hand too thin?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Hero ($29)
UTG ($23.80)
MP1 ($55.55)
MP2 ($21.10)
CO ($25.65)
Button ($34.10)
SB ($17.30)

Preflop: Hero is BB with

.
4 folds, Button raises to $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2.10)

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1, Hero raises to $3

Hand 5 - UTG+1 was majorly LAGGY (stats something like 43/33) so his min bets were a big red flag for me but it seemed like I was getting the right price to call. Should I have raised or folded at any point here?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Hero ($26.60)
UTG ($31)
UTG+1 ($6.25)
MP1 ($52.35)
MP2 ($23)
MP3 ($26.05)
CO ($25.95)
Button ($31.30)
SB ($4.75)

Preflop: Hero is BB with

.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1.35)

(5 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($1.35)

(5 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, CO folds, Button calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25.

River: ($2.35)

(4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25.

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Renton

03-11-2008, 01:22 PM

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1. people don't c/r rivers much at 25nl, i would bet small and fold. also raise more on the flop, also I prefer a 4bb open pre at these stakes

2. i would call preflop, but 3betting is ok i guess. definitely 3bet more though, probably to 2.75 or 3, you are oop and making it very easy to get called by a bunch of players (which happened)

3. your flop bet makes no sense, you seem like you are trying to make him fold. You should bet like 1/2 pot or c/c here, i recommend c/c. As played i guess check the turn and maybe call. However your flop bet was an incredibly big mistake. When you have a medium strength hand you need to play in a way that maximises your profit with that hand. You need to get value from worse and get away vs better. Some players might fold all worse hands on the flop because your bet is so big.

4. without reads i would call pre. C/r isn't that bad but i wouldn't do it without reads. FWIW if you want to bluff, leading and floating out of position are both better options than c/r (floating oop would be c/c and leading the turn or river. Its actually a really decent option here because you have a gutshot and a backdoor nfd).

After thinking about this and when considering his gutless bet, i'd c/c flop. You may even have the best hand.

5. i would call but it really doesn't matter i don't think

in the future try to only post 1 or 2 at a time, this is the reason your thread got no replies.

GatorJH

03-11-2008, 01:41 PM

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Join Date: Aug 2004

Location: HotLanta

Posts: 3,179

Thanks for the comments Renton, especially the bet sizing in hand 3 (a light went on there) and the floating option in hand 4 (another tactic that is rarely used in SNG's).

After all of the recent post reading I think I am ok enough now to limit the posts to a hand or two so that should help as well with the replies.

For those results oriented posters who want to know what happened:

Hand 1 - Villian flipped over K6o and lamented about his crappy kicker in the chat box

Hand 3 - I compounded my mistake by overbetting the turn also to the tune of $9 that was also called by villian. The river brought the

, I checked and folded to villians push. He then showed

Hand 4 - villian folded to the c/r

Hand 5 - UTG+1 had the case Q, MP3 had J9o and button had AJ0

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swiggidy

03-11-2008, 10:44 PM

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Hand 2 - I would never 3bet pre. It's really not strong enough to play OOP in a big pot

Hand 4 - I would call

nice to see you're taking a stab agian

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