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Was a mistake made here or not?
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underminedsk
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11-27-2005, 10:37 PM
Post subject: Was a mistake made here or not?
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Flush
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Reraising you from the button
Posts: 250
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This is my friends hand at 25NL @ party:
***** Hand History for Game 3105520305 *****
0/0 Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) - Sun Nov 27 17:52:08 EST 2005
Table Table 65498 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Roaddoggjc ( $40.80)
Seat 2: lljbone4 ( $25.25)
Seat 3: PimpMasterma ( $24.75)
Seat 4: psp49 ( $18.50)
Seat 5: rememberish ( $31.60)
Seat 6: rafoca ( $17.50)
Seat 7: passnbye ( $40.65)
Seat 8: trv2099 ( $25)
Seat 9: zaben81 ( $26.15)
Seat 10: Alegendxx ( $5.65)
PimpMasterma posts small blind (0.10)
psp49 posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Roaddoggjc [ 9c, 9d ]
rememberish raises (1) to 1
rafoca folds.
passnbye calls (1)
trv2099 folds.
zaben81 folds.
Alegendxx folds.
Roaddoggjc calls (1)
PimpMasterma folds.
psp49 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 9h, Kd, Kc ]
rememberish checks.
passnbye checks.
Roaddoggjc checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8d ]
rememberish checks.
passnbye checks.
Roaddoggjc bets (2)
rememberish calls (2)
passnbye calls (2)
** Dealing River ** : [ Qd ]
rememberish checks.
passnbye bets (10)
Roaddoggjc raises (37.80) to 37.80
Roaddoggjc is all-In.
rememberish calls (28.60)
rememberish is all-In.
passnbye calls (27.65)
passnbye is all-In.
Creating Main Pot with $92.15 with rememberish
Creating Side Pot 1 with $18.10 with passnbye
Creating Side Pot 2 with $0.15 with Roaddoggjc
** Summary **
Main Pot: $92.15 | Side Pot 1: $18.10 | Side Pot 2: $0.15 | Rake: $3
Board: [ 9h Kd Kc 8d Qd ]
Roaddoggjc balance $0.15, bet $40.80, collected $0.15, lost -$40.65 [ 9c 9d ] [ a full house, Nines full of kings -- Kd,Kc,9c,9d,9h ]
lljbone4 balance $25.25, sits out
PimpMasterma balance $24.65, lost $0.10 (folded)
psp49 balance $18.25, lost $0.25 (folded)
rememberish balance $0, lost $31.60 [ Ah Kh ] [ three of a kind, kings -- Ah,Kh,Kd,Kc,Qd ]
rafoca balance $17.50, didn't bet (folded)
passnbye balance $110.25, bet $40.65, collected $110.25, net +$69.60 [ Qc Qh ] [ a full house, Queens full of kings -- Kd,Kc,Qc,Qh,Qd ]
trv2099 balance $25, didn't bet (folded)
zaben81 balance $26.15, didn't bet (folded)
Alegendxx balance $5.65, didn't bet (folded)
Take a look at the feedback from this non-poker forum. Do you agree with what people are saying here? With no information, is there anything horribly wrong with checking behind on the flop, or should you bet out and hope that someone has a King?
http://www.ufck.org/forums/showthread.php?t=120960
comments? thanks.
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Pelion
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 3,206
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I wouldnt slowplay but it is because i already expect to be paid and want to start building a pot, not because i am scared of being caught.
QQ calls you for a reasonable amount but probably doesnt reraise you here.
I dont think slowplaying here is terrible but against a preflop raise you could be facing a high pocket pair or a King against alot of players and i think at this level you can play for stacks on the flop against alot of players.
If he has AQ, AJ then you got unlucky and he folds to the raise.
If he has AA, QQ, JJ, AK, KQ, (others) then he probably isnt laying this down for alot of chips.
If you think they both have something they will pay you for, (if it catches up e.g. AJ) then i think slowplaying is fine.
At worst you have someone drawing to 2 outs but i still bet a reasonable amount on the flop here because i want high preflop raising hands to pay me off.
It is ok to slowplay but if an A comes you should try and get it all in then (subtly) as there are so many hands that pay you off and you want to start building a pot.
Disclaimer : i play 5NL so i dont know shit =)
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IowaSkinsFan
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 7,148
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I would've bet the flop, you're in late position and a 9 could be hoping for you to try to steal with nothing and reraise you. Trip Kings will most likely be all in by the river. I just don't get the point of checking the flop. It's hard to believe anyone will stab. but then again im being really picky because trip kings are probably all in no matter what and the QQ got really lucky. Betting the flop conceals your hand more though.
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ChrisBCritter
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Full House
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Falmouth, ME
Posts: 781
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Haven't looked at the results yet; I'm guessing KQ or QQ gotcha at the end. Gotta bet the flop here to get those Queens to fold. With the PF action, you've gotta hope that someone has a K here that will pay you off. A pot bet on the flop is called by AK (or any K for that matter) and QQ, JJ, TT is definitely folding (unless a complete donk) as well as any other connectors at this point which don't include a K. You're gonna pay off KQ in this hand no matter what, but QQ shouldn't be allowed to see past the flop...
Looked at Results, I should write a book...
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