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Old 01-05-2006, 06:40 AM     Post subject: Minbet stupid here? #1 (permalink)  
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Not sure if the minraise preflop was dumb or maybe not enough. I wanted to get a little more money in there and hope to hit a set when somebody caught a piece. Both these guys were major chasers and played any two. I think the flop play is fairly standard.

oleola131 is at seat 4 with 10.25
r8ed is at seat 9 with 190.63
saab900s is at seat 10 with 31.00

r8ed posts the large blind 1.00
baidu posts the small blind 0.50

r8ed: 7d, 7s

Pre-flop:
saab900s: Call 1.00
Meiqichen: Call 1.00
MAN85: Fold
flightdogg: Fold
oleola131: Call 1.00
baidu: Call 1.00
r8ed: Raise 2.00
saab900s: Call 2.00
Meiqichen: Call 2.00
oleola131: Call 2.00
baidu: Call 2.00

Flop (Board: 6c, 7c, 8s):
baidu: Check
r8ed: Bet 8.00
saab900s: Call 8.00
Meiqichen: Fold
oleola131: All in
baidu: Fold
r8ed: All in
saab900s: All in

Turn (Board: 6c, 7c, 8s, 10c):


River (Board: 6c, 7c, 8s, 10c, 3d):


Showdown:

r8ed shows: 7d, 7s (three of a kind, Sevens)
saab900s shows: 8d, Jh (a pair of Eights)
oleola131 shows: 9c, 9h (straight to the Ten)

Sidepot 2:
r8ed wins the pot of 38.50 with three of a kind, Sevens

Mainpot:
oleola131 wins the pot of 34.75 with straight to the Ten
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Old 01-05-2006, 11:01 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 01-05-2006, 04:15 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I think so. If the stacks were larger then it would make more sense. As it is, I bet you could have gotten it all in without the minbet. I understand you just want to build the pot so your flop/turn/river bets can be larger when you hit. But in this case the stacks are too small to merit it.

12% of the time this min bet is paying off by helping you get more money in.
88% of the time you just lost an additional 1xbb.
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Old 01-05-2006, 04:43 PM #4 (permalink)  
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But if making that bet gets you extra bets pre-flop, and then post-flop betting is proportionally bigger, then you may well get more than the 8 extra bets it's costing you when you don't hit the set. $10 in the pot pre-flop is an extra $5; but more than that, a cont bet suddnely becomes $5-10 instead of $3-5, and a turn bet even bigger. So succeeding just once can give you an extra 20+BB for the risk of 1.

(of course, it's not just a risk of 1 - you may well be re-raised by someone who limed a high PP or AK, and that opens a new can of worms).
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Old 01-05-2006, 06:39 PM #6 (permalink)  
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But if making that bet gets you extra bets pre-flop, and then post-flop betting is proportionally bigger, then you may well get more than the 8 extra bets it's costing you when you don't hit the set. $10 in the pot pre-flop is an extra $5; but more than that, a cont bet suddnely becomes $5-10 instead of $3-5, and a turn bet even bigger. So succeeding just once can give you an extra 20+BB for the risk of 1.

(of course, it's not just a risk of 1 - you may well be re-raised by someone who limed a high PP or AK, and that opens a new can of worms).
This is sort of what I was thinking, but it was on the fly when I saw all the limpers that I knew would all call another $1. A reraise wouldn't bother me if it came from a player giving me odds to call. The other stacks were much bigger than these two - one guy had me covered. The main point is now the pot is worth fighting over and even bluffing, which a couple of these guys would do. With this many callers, somebody will catch part of the flop and want to take the pot. I think it's worth it in some spots and I think saab900s was more apt to make the call since he put in 1/3 of his stack already rather than 1/6.
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