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Old 06-12-2010, 08:49 AM     Post subject: This might look stupid when you look at the hh :D #1 (permalink)  
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 I have villain at 17/10 with 17% 3b vs steal over 500 hands.
We don't have any kind of dynamic, and he just joined that table. After I 4b he tanks forever, timebanks down another 15 seconds and then this.
First one to say "Why are you turning QQ into a bluff?". I'll find out where you live and punch you in the mouth.


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Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 5 players) Hero is BTN
2 folds, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, fourboys1 raises to $9.50, Hero raises to $21, fourboys1 raises to $32.50, Hero folds

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Old 06-12-2010, 10:59 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I don't think I would fold. I would call to see the flop and do post play. Getting another $10 in to act on the flop is pretty good... Especially since you have position. I understand your stats on him, and it would help to have %'s on yourself to see what type of player you are.
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Old 06-12-2010, 12:08 PM #3 (permalink)  
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either setmine or shove...
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Old 06-12-2010, 03:32 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Old 06-12-2010, 03:42 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 You think there's even the slightest chance he's doing that as a bluff or for value with worse?
I certainly don't have odds to setmine, and he's going to bet like 1/4 on the flop for sure.
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Old 06-12-2010, 04:01 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I certainly don't have odds to setmine
???

If you think his range is KK+ exactly then you do and it's not really close.
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Old 06-12-2010, 04:25 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 5 handed in blind stealing battle, he could have AK here like 40% of the time, no?

call to set mine then fold if miss, or get it in preflop, depending on what hands you put him on.

also, if you think he has KK, why risk turning QQ into a bluff?


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Old 06-12-2010, 08:30 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 well given that its early in the session he likely has alot of air in his 3bet range but isnt going to jam light over your 4bet so flatting pre seems optimal. (going off a general assumption here that most tags are looking to get their first 3bet out of the way early...its pretty much true just 4bet the first time someone 3bets you always and see how often they fold)
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 also this is 100 fucking no limit I've seen bad regs min 5bet/fold before and I don't recognize this guys name so I'd shove.
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also this is 100 fucking no limit I've seen bad regs min 5bet/fold before and I don't recognize this guys name so I'd shove.
I recognise this name and I vote setmine fwiw...
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Old 06-13-2010, 12:10 AM #11 (permalink)  
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???

If you think his range is KK+ exactly then you do and it's not really close.
lol u got me wif ur superior bwainz!
It is close though.

EV of a call to setmine is +$0.39 adjusted to exact stack sizes and Stars rake. (screen shot is with 100bb) I was pretty sure it wasn't close in the other direction. So if there's even a slight chance he has something stupid that he will just c/f down, it's a call.

maybe I've missed something.



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Wow that software looks awesome... What is it?

I added up wrong with my stupid bwainz and for some reason thought it was 13:1 implied+direct odds whereas it's really ~11:1, so it's a lot closer than I thought but still a profitable setmine imo. I feel like this is AA waayyy more than KK so it's really easy to pretty much play perfectly and get away from set<set, and he will sometimes get scared on Kxx or KKx boards allowing us to see more cards (and he will sometimes slowplay anyway because I mean look at his 5bet size - he is clearly retarded.)
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And I agree. If I setmine I think I'm timeout folding AQx when he checks flop / gaybets turn. Not without a lot of cursing. And I wouldn't post it for sure
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AK or a bluff not in his range here ever? I am thinking we have to always shove here with that much money invested? Unless he is a huge nit who we wouldn't be 4-betting anyways.
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Old 06-21-2010, 07:00 AM #15 (permalink)  
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$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
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Stacks:
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UTG+1 ($290.55)
MP1 ($658.35)
MP2 ($207.90)
MP3 ($102.05)
CO ($422.75)
BTN ($146.85)
Hero ($217.35)
BB ($210.30)

Pre-Flop: ($3, 9 players) Hero is SB
7 folds, Hero raises to $6, BB raises to $18, Hero raises to $46, BB raises to $110, Hero goes all-in $217.35, BB folds

Final Pot: $327.35

Hero wins $327.35 (net +$110.00)

BB lost $110

if you don't have a read on his retarded 5bet sizing just treat it like a shove
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 So you guys want to set mine qq buvbb. Cool
 
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Old 06-21-2010, 12:40 PM #17 (permalink)  
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 It's not just the sizing. it's the fact that he timed down obnoxiously for what is always an easy decision for a multitabling regular. If he snap clicks back I'm shipping, If he takes 10 sec. and clicks back I'm shipping. He has no reason for doing anything crazy or any type of levelling because we have no history.

m2m, you'll think I'm crazy but I think your hand is WAY different because he did not just click it back he didn't even leave it at a minraise and added some bb. He moved the slider with his hand! - or typed out a bet - even if it makes no real difference in term of pot odds, I think it does to his range. and I'm 98% sure that he didn't waste half his timebank before 4-betting.
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