Poker Forum

Over 1,247,000 Posts!

REGISTER
Subscribe to FTR web feed
Already Registered?      Username:    Password:   Remember      Forgot Password

Poker Forum

  > 

Full Ring NL Hold'em

  > 

Middle set, monotone flop

  
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
drtofu66
Old 07-15-2006, 01:30 PM     Post subject: Middle set, monotone flop #1 (permalink)  
drtofu66's Avatar
Flush

Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 595
drtofu66
MP3 is 21%/12%/5 over 72 hands. CO is 16%/2.5%/2.5 over 89 hands.

I'm not getting away from this hand (maybe that's leak #1) and I'm trying to get it all in on the flop here or at least draw in some more money. The reason for the minraise on the flop was I put MP3 on a high PP; he either pushes to get me and CO off our "FD", or calls down if he's cautious and just wants to see the turn if the flush hits. You expect MP3 to hold Ac or maybe Kc here, right?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($29.50)
MP1 ($26.58)
MP2 ($25)
MP3 ($22.58)
CO ($77.63)
Button ($23.65)
SB ($35.30)
BB ($20.28)
UTG ($26.01)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 6, 6. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $1.5, 4 folds, BB calls $1.25, Hero calls $1.25.

Flop: ($4.60) 4, J, 6 (3 players)
BB bets $3, Hero raises to $6, MP2 calls $23.50 (All-In), BB calls $15.78 (All-In), Hero calls
Reply With Quote

Play for FREE and practice your game at...

Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!
mulhollanddrive
Old 07-15-2006, 02:29 PM #2 (permalink)  
mulhollanddrive's Avatar

Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 47
mulhollanddrive
I would have folded PreFlop after the raise from MP, and I have serious doubts about calling AI on that flop. At best your pot odds are equal, but certainly not that great...

I would fold that, too dangerous a flop for me.
Reply With Quote
Muxy
Old 07-15-2006, 02:37 PM #3 (permalink)  
Muxy's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Canadian LOLUH'S AND AMERICAN LOLUHS
Posts: 1,529
Muxy
Send a message via MSN to Muxy Send a message via Yahoo to Muxy
Quote:
Originally Posted by mulhollanddrive
I would have folded PreFlop after the raise from MP, and I have serious doubts about calling AI on that flop. At best your pot odds are equal, but certainly not that great...

I would fold that, too dangerous a flop for me.
you are joking on folding prefop right????? you are getting the correct implied offs it is 1.25 more and he only needs 10x the raise ammount therefore the minimum hero can call and be justified is 12.50 and Villian has 20x the raise ammount.

Preflop this is an easy call, the flop i might gamble and hope to hit my re-draw 7 outs on the turn 10 on the riv.

Hope i don't sound too retarded here
Reply With Quote
a500lbgorilla
Old 07-15-2006, 03:07 PM #4 (permalink)  
a500lbgorilla's Avatar
JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD

Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: This room is a good place to be
Posts: 8,379
a500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to alla500lbgorilla is a name known to all
Send a message via AIM to a500lbgorilla
Quote:
Originally Posted by mulhollanddrive
I would have folded PreFlop after the raise from MP, and I have serious doubts about calling AI on that flop. At best your pot odds are equal, but certainly not that great...

I would fold that, too dangerous a flop for me.
its called set farming, sets are hard to read when you hit them becuase they appear on very unassuming flops and also flops that loan themselves to draws you're probably also on.

I think the hand is played fine, draw to the FH baby!

though, i hate your minraise. They're dumb and reflect poorly on you as a poker player. Please be ashamed for posting a hand where you make one.

Had you made a man's raise, the hand would be an easy gamble for all yer chippies!

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
 
Reply With Quote
takesix
Old 07-15-2006, 03:29 PM #5 (permalink)  
takesix's Avatar
Flush

Join Date: May 2006
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 323
takesix
Send a message via AIM to takesix Send a message via MSN to takesix
Quote:
Originally Posted by mulhollanddrive
I would have folded PreFlop after the raise from MP, and I have serious doubts about calling AI on that flop. At best your pot odds are equal, but certainly not that great...

I would fold that, too dangerous a flop for me.
Why on earth would you minraise on a3-flushed board? As a general rule I don't mess with them but you gotta at least 3-bet that.
Reply With Quote
Lukie
Old 07-15-2006, 04:08 PM #6 (permalink)  
Lukie's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: back with a vengeance
Posts: 3,307
Lukie is on a distinguished road
 preflop is fine

raise more on the flop. not because I hate min-raising but because you have such a strong but hugely vulnerable hand and it's a shame to let someone draw cheap (and correctly) on you. As played this is the stupid-easiest call you'll ever make on the flop.
Reply With Quote
Muxy
Old 07-15-2006, 07:48 PM #7 (permalink)  
Muxy's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Canadian LOLUH'S AND AMERICAN LOLUHS
Posts: 1,529
Muxy
Send a message via MSN to Muxy Send a message via Yahoo to Muxy
Quote:
Originally Posted by takesix
Quote:
Originally Posted by mulhollanddrive
I would have folded PreFlop after the raise from MP, and I have serious doubts about calling AI on that flop. At best your pot odds are equal, but certainly not that great...

I would fold that, too dangerous a flop for me.
Why on earth would you minraise on a3-flushed board? As a general rule I don't mess with them but you gotta at least 3-bet that.
Your definition of 3bet is off. he cannot 3 bet this flop its not making the original raise 3x.

A 3bet is

Me: I bet 1
You: Raise to 5
I: 3-bet to 100

the 3rd raise on any given street
Reply With Quote
drtofu66
Old 07-16-2006, 12:25 AM #8 (permalink)  
drtofu66's Avatar
Flush

Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 595
drtofu66
Quote:
Originally Posted by mulhollanddrive
I would have folded PreFlop after the raise from MP, and I have serious doubts about calling AI on that flop. At best your pot odds are equal, but certainly not that great...

I would fold that, too dangerous a flop for me.
you realize it's the preflop raiser pushing, right? If he did have AcKc or AcQc, is he pushing to shove the CO off a hand that he has the nuts? I figured him for a AA/KK/QQ with the club. Maybe JJ but if he's oversetted me, oh well.

For the results oriented-- CO had AcK and MP had Tc8c. So much for me putting him on a hand.
Reply With Quote
mulhollanddrive
Old 07-16-2006, 10:20 AM #9 (permalink)  
mulhollanddrive's Avatar

Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 47
mulhollanddrive
Learning all the time.
Reply With Quote
Renton
Old 07-16-2006, 10:59 AM #10 (permalink)  
Renton's Avatar
Straight Flush

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Posts: 5,991
Renton will become famous soon enough
 This hand is standardly played, and even if they all flopped flushes you have +EV. Minraise is ok if you are headsup with a read but here its too dangerous and the fabric of the 25nl game is such that you will often just get calls instead of 3bets.
Reply With Quote
drtofu66
Old 07-16-2006, 01:35 PM #11 (permalink)  
drtofu66's Avatar
Flush

Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 595
drtofu66
Quote:
Originally Posted by Renton
This hand is standardly played, and even if they all flopped flushes you have +EV. Minraise is ok if you are headsup with a read but here its too dangerous and the fabric of the 25nl game is such that you will often just get calls instead of 3bets.
Do you just push the flop then? I know the proper play is to figure out a way to get it all in here, but do we *want* to be called? We're unlikely to push someone with 3c2c off their flush at 25NL. Do we *want* to push Acx or Kcx off this hand, or do we want them in there while we're ahead? I guess the better play would have been to look at the BB's stack and raise so they'd be pot committed and push in for us. I was looking more at pressuring MP figuring him on an overpair, not even considering that MP had me beat already.
Reply With Quote
Reply
Latest Poker News
dlbarlowe Old 06-01-2012, 11:03 AM    White House Responds to Poker Players Alliance's Petition
After receiving a petition scripted by the Poker Players Alliance approximately eight months ago, the Obama administration recently issued a response prepared by Brian Deese, the Deputy Director of th ...

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »
Thread Tools
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT. The time now is 11:09 PM.

Contact Us - Archive - Top

FTR Testimonials

All content
© FlopTurnRiver.com 		Advertising  |   Partners  |   Testimonials  |   T&C  |   Contact Us  |   FTR News & Press  |   Site Map  |   Search FTR

Full Tilt  |   Titan Poker  |   UltimateBet  |   Poker Stars  |   Ladbrokes Bonus  |   Sportsbook  |   Cake Poker  

Play Texas Holdem Online, Online Texas Holdem Strategy, & Poker Forum
This is not a gambling website.