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Old 03-23-2009, 12:31 AM     Post subject: middle set deep - check river behind? #1 (permalink)  
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 villain is bad 34-5 over 200 hands and calls a lot of cbets with all sorts of draws and pairs, but doesn't showdown much. River check behind too weak? bet-fold

Comments on flop and turn bet-sizing also appreciated, they are way too small given stack-sizes and read I think. Pot-pot better?

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 8, 8
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Flop: ($13.50) 8, A, 6 (3 players)
UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $8, 1 fold, MP1 calls $8

Turn: ($29.50) 3 (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $23, MP1 calls $23

River: ($75.50) 9 (2 players)
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Old 03-23-2009, 12:46 AM #2 (permalink)  
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bet/fold something big like $70. There's all sorts of 2 pair combos that are calling, AK, hell even undersets. No need to be scared but if he shoves it's a fold.
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bet/fold something big like $70. There's all sorts of 2 pair combos that are calling, AK, hell even undersets. No need to be scared but if he shoves it's a fold.
I probably bet a little smaller, but there is no way you should be thinking about checking behind here. I make it 55-60 or there abouts. I like all streets except river if you checked.
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 guys but if we bet and he raises we have to fold and don't get to cheaply show down the top of our range!
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guys but if we bet and he raises we have to fold and don't get to cheaply show down the top of our range!
i bet $50 and got min-check-raised. Just curious. Doing some study cos I need to get better. Thanks
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
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 I would bet more on the flop and turn and almost pot the river. As played I guess call
 
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Old 03-23-2009, 08:04 AM #7 (permalink)  
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guys but if we bet and he raises we have to fold and don't get to cheaply show down the top of our range!
i bet $50 and got min-check-raised. Just curious. Doing some study cos I need to get better. Thanks
spenda was kidding, but i bet $50 also and fold to a raise.


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Old 03-23-2009, 12:27 PM     Post subject: Re: middle set deep - check river behind? #9 (permalink)  
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villain is bad 34-5 over 200 hands and calls a lot of cbets with all sorts of draws and pairs


I think this answers your own question. There is obviously a great deal of value to be had on this river against this villain. I bet larger on flop ($11), and larger on turn ($28-$30ish), and obv bet the river as well, and pretty large against this bad of a player.

As played, I probably pay off the minraise. Your getting 3.5:1, and I don't think it's unreasonable that he can show up with worse (A9, A8, 66, 33).
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Old 03-23-2009, 12:41 PM     Post subject: Re: middle set deep - check river behind? #10 (permalink)  
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villain is bad 34-5 over 200 hands and calls a lot of cbets with all sorts of draws and pairs


I think this answers your own question. There is obviously a great deal of value to be had on this river against this villain. I bet larger on flop ($11), and larger on turn ($28-$30ish), and obv bet the river as well, and pretty large against this bad of a player.

As played, I probably pay off the minraise. Your getting 3.5:1, and I don't think it's unreasonable that he can show up with worse (A9, A8, 66, 33).
This. Although I'd go 11/32/75 or something.


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