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Old 12-06-2007, 02:56 PM     Post subject: mid pairs WTSD/W$SD #1 (permalink)  
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I don't think I play these hands well. I may be holding on too long to some, dumping others too early, or something. What kind of numbers are people seeing for WTSD and W$SD for say 77-TT?

Example, my TT (which I have a lot of trouble playing well) has a WTSD of 39.45 and a W$SD of 44.19. It is about 1 1/2 buyins in the negative overall. Given that this is a high VPIP hand, I would like to play it better.

It looks really bad out of the blinds (although some of this could be due to sample size. I have about 50000 hands in my DB, so once it's filtered for TT and then by position it's getting way too small to read much of anything into the numbers)

Anything else that I should be looking for?

As an aside that has nothing to do with anything, I just noticed that my VPIP is identical to 2 decimal places for NL vs PL.
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Old 12-06-2007, 04:32 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Glad you posted this cos it has just made me notice that I have also been playing TT poorly! I'm in the black, but only at 0.12bb/hand. My WTSD/W$SD is 28.67/44.19. (44.19!! snap!!!) (stats from ~45k hands since I switched back to FR)

Not sure what this signifies...would also like feedback.
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My sample is way to small ~35khands.

TT is
vpip 96
pfr 87
W$WSF 66
WtSD 38
W$SD 68

99 is
93
76
54
32
67

88 is
92
73
40
32
35
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Old 12-07-2007, 03:38 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I am definitely holding on to TT too long and am a payoff monkey with the weak overpair. and TT is just sooo pretty. But then I would figure that JJ would be in a similar spot, only slightly better. But JJ is going to SD about 10% more often, but is winning over half of them.

hmm.

maybe I am playing TT scared (ie too aggressively/afraid of being outdrawn) and am blowing too many worse hands out. Maybe also trying to play too large of a pot w/ TT when it doesn't warrant it.

could just be too stubborn to fold it when it's obvious I should. probably all 3. Now I am just rambling, but hopefully I will be able to come back to this later to figure out why I'm still losing with TT and then maybe it will stick.

edit: can anything be gained by looking at the difference between win% with a certain hand vs. W$SD? thoughts?
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Old 12-07-2007, 07:09 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 TT fullring stats 95-85 and W$WSF 56%, wtsd 25% and w$SD 60%. Small sample size though.
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Old 12-15-2007, 03:25 PM #6 (permalink)  
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after doing some more research, I have found that most of my big losses are coming from the SB. Not just with TT, but with all of the other medium strength hands that are losing which should be winning.

I knew that I spewed from the blinds, but didn't know it was this bad.

Any suggestions on how to play 88,99,TT from the SB in different situations?

vs standard 100NL button raiser
vs reg raising from MP/HJ
vs fish raising button->MP

not looking for how to play hand X in situation Y exactly, more looking for what you are considering when playing a medium strength hand from the blinds.
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Old 12-15-2007, 07:11 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 At small stakes fullring you should probably 3bet the large majority of what you play from the blinds if it will be HU. Most players do a poor job of reacting to 3bets. Save coldcalling for when you have position. Learning how to play from the blinds vs a decent player when calling his raise is very difficult, but playing against your 3bet is even more difficult for him.
 
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