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Anosmic

08-15-2006, 01:49 PM Post subject: Metagame or just silly?

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This was three consecutive hands.

What do you think?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP2 ($11.30)
MP3 ($29.46)
CO ($24.90)
Button ($7.85)
SB ($27.26)
BB ($6.65)
UTG ($8)
UTG+1 ($22.30)
UTG+2 ($25.10)
Hero ($24.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K

, A

. SB posts a blind of $0.10. UTG posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG (poster) checks, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, 6 folds, UTG folds, UTG+2 folds.
Final Pot: $1.85

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP1 ($11.30)
MP2 ($29.46)
MP3 ($24.90)
CO ($7.85)
Button ($27.16)
SB ($6.40)
BB ($7.75)
UTG ($22.30)
UTG+1 ($24.85)
Hero ($25.10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A

, A

. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
2 folds, Hero raises to $2, 6 folds, BB calls $1.75.

Flop: ($4.10) 9

, T

, 7

(2 players)
BB bets $2, Hero raises to $4, BB calls $3.75 (All-In), Hero calls $1.75.

Turn: ($15.60) 8

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($15.60) 4

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $15.60

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($11.30)
UTG+1 ($29.46)
MP1 ($25)
MP2 ($7.85)
MP3 ($27.16)
CO ($6.30)
Button ($0)
SB ($22.30)
Hero ($32.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A

, A

. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
4 folds, MP3 raises to $0.5, CO raises to $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.75, 1 fold, CO calls $5.30 (All-In), Hero calls $2.30.

Flop: ($13.20) 3

, T

, 6

(3 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($13.20) A

(3 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($13.20) Q

(3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $13.20

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08-15-2006, 02:05 PM

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08-15-2006, 02:16 PM

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Huh?

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08-15-2006, 02:19 PM

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Where is the metagame?

Hand 1 raise more preflop, hand 2 raise less preflop. 4xBB+1BB/limper.

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08-15-2006, 03:38 PM

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I don't understand the question.

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08-15-2006, 03:41 PM

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Yeah, you definitely should have limped those last two.

Anosmic

08-15-2006, 04:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HalvSame

Where is the metagame?

Hand 1 raise more preflop, hand 2 raise less preflop. 4xBB+1BB/limper.

My standard is 3-4xbb + 1bb/limper. On this table it was 3bb because it seemed to be getting the job done.

The second hand I felt that because of the previous hand it was less likely that everyone would fold to me again and so I'd get good action for my aces.
When the rockets came up next hand I felt that what would be (for me, you guys might think it standard) likely to get a fold would here get action.

Normally I wouldn't throw so much at the pot because with this sort of hand I want someone in there putting money in with me.
But here, because of the nice run of cards I felt I could push from the start and build big pots and it seemed to work.

Now is this silly thinking? Or can one use a rush of cards to intentionally inflate pots because suddenly any HUD will have me showing a pfr of 30% or something...?

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bair

08-15-2006, 09:59 PM

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i dont feel like reading what you said, but im assuming you are asking if you should alter your play based on your current image, and the answer is obvious, yes.

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08-15-2006, 10:01 PM

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image and metagame are nearly non existant at these stakes

no need to get tricky

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08-15-2006, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Renton

image and metagame are nearly non existant at these stakes

no need to get tricky

even at the lowest of limits there is still image and metagame when you raise 3 hands in a row, agree?

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08-15-2006, 10:33 PM

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even at the lowest of limits there is still image and metagame when you raise 3 hands in a row, agree?

If you lost hand 3 to a suckout you could pretend to go on tilt. Then just AI pf with your AA. Hows that for metagame?

But looking at your stack, its bigger in hand 3. So you must have won. I dont mind it, it got the job done. Not so sure on how much your opponents' plays had to do with your previous 2 hands. Many times at this level people just look at their hole cards and not much else.

Anosmic

08-16-2006, 09:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Renton

image and metagame are nearly non existant at these stakes

no need to get tricky

And yet a frequent leak seems to be the "he's bluffing" thing.

I think (no hard data, just seems that way) that people are much more willing to call my raises after I've raised a few.

Especially if someone's laid down a couple of hands to my raises. So if I've won a few pots on a roll I felt that I could make rather outlandish raises and get action.
Now is it just that lower levels are populated by idiots who will happily call a 10xbb pf raise because they have an a ace, or is it really the image that's working?

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08-16-2006, 01:26 PM

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bode is an unknown quantity at this point

the word "metagame" is being used far too often. there is no metagame at $25 nl. i havent played anything higher, but seeing HH's from the higher limit players on here i think it is reasonable to say that metagame doesnt even come into play until probly > $100 nl.

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08-16-2006, 04:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TerryToma

If you lost hand 3 to a suckout you could pretend to go on tilt. Then just AI pf with your AA. Hows that for metagame?

this is situational play. Metagame speaks to actual aware opponents who will recall this series of hands 2 days/2weeks/2 months from now

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08-16-2006, 04:19 PM

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So going onto a $25NL table, declaring in chat that you are going to play a shortstack ninja game, then pushing with AA isn't metagame? It works though

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08-16-2006, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bode-ist

Erm...no.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagame

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08-16-2006, 04:54 PM

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if your at 25 nl run over them at like 40/30 they fold to every c-bet anyway

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