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jimmyallin
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06-12-2008, 07:48 PM
Post subject: low pair from EP facing a raise
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Two Pair
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Not a specific hand, more of general situation. $1/2 typical full ring game.
Unknown player raises from UTG, I have   or the like in UTG+1.
In a typical game, can I call this and go set hunting?
My debate is which factor is stronger: 1) getting follower callers and getting paid off when I hit my set vs. 2) the risk of a pf rr.
What are your thoughts, I struggle with this type of decision whether I'm UTG+1 or MP vs. an early raiser.
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ATOTHEC101
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Full House
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nearly always just call, utg raises generally equal big pairs that pay off big time when u flop your set, give up flop if u miss. Simple as that really.
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jimmyallin
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Two Pair
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If you get rr pf and UTG calls do you call also? What if there is a normal sized rr and UTG folds? Sorry for the non-situational questions, I just struggle with "standard" plays on low pairs.
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ATOTHEC101
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if the rr isnt to big and utg calls and they both have 80+ bb stacks ill indeed call. If utg folds ill also generally fold unless you and the reraising villain are both deeply stacked i.e. 150 bbs+ deep and the reraise isnt to big giving you good implied odds to hit your set.
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Keilah
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UTG raises aren't only big pairs, many players will raise medium and sometimes small pairs as well (and AK/AQ).
The problem with calling 55 is a)a reraise should force you to lay down, b)you won't have position after the flop if soemone else calls, and c)if someone else does call, it's often with a higher pair than yours, and if you get action, it's usually an overset. Same goes for UTG except he's more likely to have a premium pair and give action without a set.
Oh and I play NL100 not NL200 so it may be slightly different... I know at NL50 I'd have called with the 55 since people are worse at smelling sets.
Vs donks I think you can always call this.
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BankItDrew
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if you think villain is opening with a bigger hand most of the time: call
if you think villain is opening with a weaker hand on average: raise
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Keilah
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Srsly Drew what villain opens UTG with a hand weaker than a baby PP.
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jimmyallin
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Two Pair
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Thanks guys, this perspective helps. I play with donks (like myself).
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BankItDrew
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Keilah
Srsly Drew what villain opens UTG with a hand weaker than a baby PP.
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Keilah
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'weaker' in that situation is pretty hard to define. If you don't hit your trips low pp's are prtty hard to play.
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freechus9
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Keilah
f you get action, it's usually an overset.
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False.
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Keilah
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i meant if you get a ton of action.
wait actually I take it back... what I meant to say is, 'if you get lots of action, it will be a better hand often enough that, combined with all the times you missed/got reraised, flatting from UTG+1 with a baby pair will become unprofitable.'
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