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Old 04-30-2006, 04:22 PM     Post subject: Lots of outs, but when should i get out of the hand.... #1 (permalink)  
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The two players that called were playing alot of hands with ax,kx,qx, and then raising big with AA-22,AK-JT. Then if they made a pair, they would see it to the end even if it cost them (rebought3x between the two of them). In this hand im glad i called it down, it would have paid off even though they only checked at the end, they would have called a healthy bet.
In the future vs two random opp, when would you get out of the hand?

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UTG ($10.70)
UTG+1 ($10)
MP1 ($24.45)
Hero ($48.90)
CO ($31.65)
Button ($6.95)
SB ($16.40)
BB ($21.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 6, 5.
UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, Button calls $0.25, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.25) 7, 3, 9 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls $0.75.

Turn: ($3.50) 5 (3 players)
BB bets $1, UTG raises to $3, Hero calls $3, BB calls $2.

River: ($12.50) K (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $12.50
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Old 04-30-2006, 04:41 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 With your read, I like the call on the flop. If you hit your gut shot, you have lots of implied odds. The turn call is a bit more "hazy" though.. you're really hoping to see a 4, 5 or 6 on the river (9 outs or 18%). I guess you mainly got lucky none them had anything. IOW, that they were total idiots to bet and raise with absolutely nothing (maybe a flush draw?).
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Old 04-30-2006, 04:51 PM #3 (permalink)  
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With your read, I like the call on the flop. If you hit your gut shot, you have lots of implied odds. The turn call is a bit more "hazy" though.. you're really hoping to see a 4, 5 or 6 on the river (9 outs or 18%). I guess you mainly got lucky none them had anything. IOW, that they were total idiots to bet and raise with absolutely nothing (maybe a flush draw?).
Looking for an 8 as well, would you have gotten off at the turn?
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Old 04-30-2006, 04:59 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 Ah yes forgot the 8, silly me. That's 13 outs or 26%. Nah I wouldn't have gotten off here, because I'm expecting (from your read) that the other one will call too, making my relative pay 25% or so (3/12.50) - making it an easy call because of the implied odds (as you said they'll stick to their hands). That you won even though you missed is a surprise to me though.


EDIT: little clarification of my thinking maybe, your chance to hit your odds is more than your 'pay', so that seems to imply an auto-call.. however, unlike a flush draw, where if you hit you're almost certain to have the best hand, some of your outs here might be poisoned. If you hit 2 pair for example, you might lose to two higher pair and probably invest a lot to find this out. From experience, I like to keep these things in consideration too, hope that makes sense
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I didnt mean to imply that i won, in fact i didnt.
They held J9 and 57.
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Old 05-01-2006, 01:16 AM #6 (permalink)  
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fold the turn. with the 5 coming, all of your outs arent disguised anymore because it would put 4 to the straight on the board. this makes it hard for you to get paid off and sometimes you would split anyway
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