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Listening to that voice pt. II, Laying this down?

  
 
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Old 01-10-2006, 04:51 PM     Post subject: Listening to that voice pt. II, Laying this down? #1 (permalink)  
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Yes, this is a HH from a SNG but it's in here for a reason. I find the same thing happens to me in ring game play where i had a great hand, and I make the right read on the opponent, but I call and dump. I need some ideas on how to just believe your reads and sometimes that ur best hand has just turned to garbage. I'm posting this hand as an example, but also, looking at the pot size, can I lay this down even when I know I'm beat....

FullTiltPoker Game #376247024: $20 + $2 Sit & Go (2439206), Table 1 - 100/200 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:14:16 ET - 2006/01/09
Seat 1: fade177 (5,185)
Seat 3: HazeMan (2,020)
Seat 6: liteorfree (2,415)
Seat 7: Kragmorn (3,880)
liteorfree posts the small blind of 100
Kragmorn posts the big blind of 200
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fade177 [Ad 9d]
fade177: had u been shorter stacked i would have called
fade177 raises to 600
HazeMan folds
liteorfree folds
Kragmorn calls 400
*** FLOP *** [6c Ac 9s]
Kragmorn bets 600
fade177 raises to 1,600
Kragmorn calls 1,000
*** TURN *** [6c Ac 9s] [Th]
Kragmorn bets 1,680, and is all in
fade177: damn did u catch 2 pair on my 2 pair

What happened next in white:
fade177 calls 1,680
Kragmorn shows [Ts As]
fade177 shows [Ad 9d]
fade177: i thought so
*** RIVER *** [6c Ac 9s Th] [Jh]
Kragmorn shows two pair, Aces and Tens
fade177 shows two pair, Aces and Nines
Kragmorn wins the pot (7,860) with two pair, Aces and Tens
fade177: thanks for callin my reraise
The blinds are now 120/240
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7,860 | Rake 0
Board: [6c Ac 9s Th Jh]
Seat 1: fade177 showed [Ad 9d] and lost with two pair, Aces and Nines
Seat 3: HazeMan (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: liteorfree (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: Kragmorn (big blind) showed [Ts As] and won (7,860) with two pair, Aces and Tens
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Old 01-10-2006, 04:55 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 I could lay this down looking at the oesd that completed. If it was ring i might consider laying it down.
Problem is ill push differnet hands/edges in ring compared to a tourny. Sng there is no way i fold that ever. Ring, i may consider that im beat by set/straight here and fold.
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I haven't looked at the results as yet, but there's no way im folding two pair here with the stacks as shallow as this.

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Your table chat sucks.

Don't fold good hands with pot or less behind. Just don't do it.
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Fnord, ur always commenting on my table chat, I think out loud a lot and online it's typing. Should I just never chat? I mean and here what does it matter if I let him know my hand if I'm going to call. Should I just never talk about hands, after a hand I often type what I read them for and when I'm close or spot on (which is getting more often) then they show me confirming my read. I dunno man, whadya think....
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Fnord, ur always commenting on my table chat, I think out loud a lot and online it's typing. Should I just never chat? I mean and here what does it matter if I let him know my hand if I'm going to call. Should I just never talk about hands, after a hand I often type what I read them for and when I'm close or spot on (which is getting more often) then they show me confirming my read. I dunno man, whadya think....
This pure ego. You want them to know you made the right read? So lets assume they begin to believe you and next time you are betting into them they remember it. What do you think they are going to do?
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Giving away that you're a thinking player is bad.
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 You can't lay this down, any AK-AJ or worse two pair would've known they are commited and might just put their chips in like that.
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