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Old 08-22-2005, 09:10 PM     Post subject: limping JJ and flopping undercards - your play? #1 (permalink)  
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Your line? Should I be afraid of two pair here or trips here (elmagica limping small PP or 89)? It didnt look like a set to me (a set would valuebet or slowplay), but I dunno about two pair, maybe some silly fish trying to protect his two pair.

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$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, August 22, 14:51:42 EDT 2005
Table Table 36838 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 5: bluffboy200 ( $43.10 )
Seat 6: dreamer499 ( $11.55 )
Seat 2: SpottedFawn ( $26.50 )
Seat 8: saiflai7 ( $25 )
Seat 1: coreyjar ( $10.90 )
Seat 10: TikiTiger210 ( $10.69 )
Seat 7: merton55griz ( $13.65 )
Seat 4: badnewsnick ( $19.63 )
Seat 3: ElMagica ( $23.55 )
Seat 9: Spasseren ( $24.88 )
coreyjar posts small blind [$0.10].
SpottedFawn posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bluffboy200 [ Jd Jc ]
ElMagica calls [$0.25].
badnewsnick calls [$0.25].
bluffboy200 calls [$0.25].
dreamer499 calls [$0.25].
merton55griz folds.
saiflai7 folds.
Spasseren folds.
TikiTiger210 folds.
coreyjar calls [$0.15].
SpottedFawn checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4h, 8c, 9d ]
coreyjar checks.
SpottedFawn checks.
ElMagica bets [$1.50].
badnewsnick folds.
>You have options at Table 36688 Table!.
bluffboy200 raises [$4].
dreamer499 folds.
coreyjar folds.
SpottedFawn folds.
ElMagica is all-In [$21.80]
bluffboy200 ????
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Old 08-22-2005, 09:40 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I dont like the limping Jacks personally, but if thats how your playing them you are playing them for a no set no bet purpose, or if nobody else shows interest in the pot.

The only hands that you are beating that could use this line that you beat are TT...or Top pair...top pair is probably unlikely. So only 1 possible hand your beating I believe it is an easy fold IMO.
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Old 08-22-2005, 10:34 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Raise JJ more preflop. Without reads, fold to his AI.
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Old 08-22-2005, 10:36 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I dont raise jacks in full ring - tournies are another matter. But I think a lot of ppl in here also limp jacks in full ring
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:09 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I don't recommend raising jacks in full ring; it's just dumb...

That being said, you played this well. The all in screams that you're beat. What you're looking to do when you flop overs with JJ is to have them call you down with TP. This obviously wasn't the case here, so clean fold.

That's definitely two pair.

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Quote:
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I don't recommend raising jacks in full ring; it's just dumb...

That being said, you played this well. The all in screams that you're beat. What you're looking to do when you flop overs with JJ is to have them call you down with TP. This obviously wasn't the case here, so clean fold.

That's definitely two pair.
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Old 08-22-2005, 11:47 PM #7 (permalink)  
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you're done with the hand.

And raising with JJ is not bad at full ring. Limping is usually better for most situations and should be your default strategy at low limits but you want to try and avoid becomming super tight/passive preflop.

JJ just like AK hits a good flip 1/3rd of the time.

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Old 08-22-2005, 11:58 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I don't recommend raising jacks in full ring; it's just dumb...
Watch me work a PokerStars NL table sometime, I raise A LOT worse than JJ for 4x the BB depending on table texture, yada, yada, yada. They just keep giving me money...

Micheal1123 is similar, although he will play even worse hands, take them farther and get away with it because the money is deep and he's a better post-flop player than me.
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Old 08-23-2005, 12:28 AM #9 (permalink)  
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While the hand played out, I was on tilt, so I called and he flipped over A9o for TPTK, and I won a big pot. Its not often tilting wins you money

Anyway, I think it was a clear fold too, because the only hands that would make this move most of the time would be hands that have my overpair beaten.
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Old 08-23-2005, 12:32 AM #10 (permalink)  
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i only raise midpairs (99-JJ) in LP if there arent several limpers in front of me.

i play it the same.
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i only raise midpairs (99-JJ) in LP if there arent several limpers in front of me.
If the money is deep/passive, I think there is value building a pot. Quite often your pre-flop aggression will buy you a turn card when you miss and loose calls when you hit.
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