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Old 04-26-2006, 02:59 AM     Post subject: A lesson in how to never play aces. #1 (permalink)  
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I've had aces 6 times over my last 1500 hands between yesterday and today. 3 I've won on, netting me around $1.75 (folds preflop). I've lost three times, netting me -$68.70.

Here is a lesson on the absolute worst ways possible to play aces, three examples for you all.

HH in raw text, since no FullTilt Support.

Example #1
FullTiltPoker Game #591410790: Table Ann - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:21:22 ET - 2006/04/24
Seat 1: Lostit2 ($24.90)
Seat 2: joshuaashtondzl ($27.05)
Seat 3: MycroftHolmes ($12.65)
Seat 4: gristle69 ($17.05)
Seat 5: Youth ($47.65)
Seat 6: ace9135 ($25)
Seat 7: pokerchip989 ($35.15)
Seat 8: pop1time ($23.30)
Seat 9: XXXBISHXXX ($10.15)
gristle69 posts the small blind of $0.10
Youth posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to joshuaashtondzl [As Ad]
ace9135 folds
pokerchip989 folds
pop1time folds
XXXBISHXXX raises to $0.85
Lostit2 folds
joshuaashtondzl raises to $2.40
joshuaashtondzl is feeling confused
MycroftHolmes has 15 seconds left to act
MycroftHolmes folds
gristle69 folds
Youth folds
XXXBISHXXX calls $1.55
*** FLOP *** [3h Ts 7d]
XXXBISHXXX checks
joshuaashtondzl bets $4.90
XXXBISHXXX raises to $7.75, and is all in
joshuaashtondzl calls $2.85
XXXBISHXXX shows [7s 7h]
joshuaashtondzl shows [As Ad]
*** TURN *** [3h Ts 7d] [Jh]
joshuaashtondzl: nice hand
*** RIVER *** [3h Ts 7d Jh] [Jc]
XXXBISHXXX shows a full house, Sevens full of Jacks
joshuaashtondzl shows two pair, Aces and Jacks
XXXBISHXXX wins the pot ($19.65) with a full house, Sevens full of Jacks
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $20.65 | Rake $1
Board: [3h Ts 7d Jh Jc]
Seat 1: Lostit2 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: joshuaashtondzl showed [As Ad] and lost with two pair, Aces and Jacks
Seat 3: MycroftHolmes (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: gristle69 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Youth (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: ace9135 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: pokerchip989 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: pop1time didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: XXXBISHXXX showed [7s 7h] and won ($19.65) with a full house, Sevens full of Jacks

Example #2
FullTiltPoker Game #593749264: Table Count Diero - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:12:59 ET - 2006/04/25
Seat 1: sharkkaspy ($43.95)
Seat 2: joshuaashtondzl ($24.90)
Seat 3: buckchaser ($9.30)
Seat 4: Barsik ($25.10)
Seat 5: frutpunc ($61.40)
Seat 6: BigJ2226 ($9.75)
Seat 7: caesars711 ($16.85)
Seat 8: DealMeAces ($24.65)
Seat 9: Ricky520 ($24.85)
Ricky520 posts the small blind of $0.10
sharkkaspy posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to joshuaashtondzl [Ah As]
joshuaashtondzl raises to $0.85
buckchaser folds
Barsik folds
frutpunc folds
BigJ2226 folds
caesars711 calls $0.85
DealMeAces calls $0.85
Ricky520 calls $0.75
sharkkaspy calls $0.60
*** FLOP *** [Js 3d 8h]
Ricky520 checks
sharkkaspy checks
joshuaashtondzl bets $3.50
caesars711 folds
DealMeAces folds
Ricky520 calls $3.50
sharkkaspy folds
*** TURN *** [Js 3d 8h] [9h]
Ricky520 bets $11.25
joshuaashtondzl raises to $20.55, and is all in
Ricky520 calls $9.25, and is all in
joshuaashtondzl shows [Ah As]
Ricky520 shows [Qd Td]
Uncalled bet of $0.05 returned to joshuaashtondzl
*** RIVER *** [Js 3d 8h 9h] [7c]
joshuaashtondzl shows a pair of Aces
Ricky520 shows a straight, Queen high
Ricky520 wins the pot ($49.65) with a straight, Queen high
joshuaashtondzl is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $52.25 | Rake $2.60
Board: [Js 3d 8h 9h 7c]
Seat 1: sharkkaspy (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: joshuaashtondzl showed [Ah As] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 3: buckchaser didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Barsik didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: frutpunc didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: BigJ2226 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: caesars711 folded on the Flop
Seat 8: DealMeAces (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: Ricky520 (small blind) showed [Qd Td] and won ($49.65) with a straight, Queen high

Example #3
FullTiltPoker Game #593845814: Table Count Diero - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:48:27 ET - 2006/04/25
Seat 1: sharkkaspy ($47.25)
Seat 2: joshuaashtondzl ($35.25)
Seat 3: Coach94 ($8.50)
Seat 4: Barsik ($31.70)
Seat 5: Wise-555 ($6.95)
Seat 6: 1mucker ($12.20)
Seat 7: funguy79 ($23.60)
Seat 8: Gor184 ($16.90)
Seat 9: dubb1 ($7.05)
dubb1 posts the small blind of $0.10
sharkkaspy posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to joshuaashtondzl [As Ac]
joshuaashtondzl raises to $0.85
Coach94 folds
Barsik folds
Wise-555 calls $0.85
1mucker calls $0.85
funguy79 folds
Gor184 folds
dubb1 folds
sharkkaspy calls $0.60
*** FLOP *** [2d 4d Js]
sharkkaspy checks
joshuaashtondzl bets $2
Wise-555 folds
1mucker folds
sharkkaspy has 15 seconds left to act
sharkkaspy raises to $4
joshuaashtondzl raises to $10
sharkkaspy raises to $46.40, and is all in
joshuaashtondzl calls $24.40, and is all in
sharkkaspy shows [Jh Jc]
joshuaashtondzl shows [As Ac]
Uncalled bet of $12 returned to sharkkaspy
*** TURN *** [2d 4d Js] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [2d 4d Js Qs] [3d]
sharkkaspy shows three of a kind, Jacks
joshuaashtondzl shows a pair of Aces
sharkkaspy wins the pot ($69.30) with three of a kind, Jacks
joshuaashtondzl is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $72.30 | Rake $3
Board: [2d 4d Js Qs 3d]
Seat 1: sharkkaspy (big blind) showed [Jh Jc] and won ($69.30) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 2: joshuaashtondzl showed [As Ac] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 3: Coach94 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Barsik didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Wise-555 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: 1mucker folded on the Flop
Seat 7: funguy79 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Gor184 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: dubb1 (small blind) folded before the Flop

From now on, I'm just putting my money in preflop, all of it, and if I lose, I can say I was ahead!
 
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Old 04-26-2006, 03:09 AM #2 (permalink)  
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All on the same table within 10 minutes.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($103.95)
Button ($403.67)
SB ($98.60)
BB ($102.06)
UTG ($113.76)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A, A. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $5, Button calls $5, SB (poster) calls $4.50, 1 fold, UTG folds.

Flop: ($17) 3, 7, 7 (3 players)
SB bets $15, Hero calls $15, Button calls $15.

Turn: ($62) 2 (3 players)
SB bets $50.27, Hero calls $50.27, Button folds.

River: ($162.54) T (2 players)
SB calls $28.33 (All-In), Hero calls $28.33.

Final Pot: $219.20



Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($97.90)
CO ($385.37)
Button ($212.70)
SB ($100.96)
BB ($113.36)
UTG ($23.20)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A, A. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $5, 1 fold, Button calls $5, 2 folds, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($16.50) 2, J, 4 (3 players)
UTG bets $5.64, Hero raises to $20, Button folds, UTG calls $12.56 (All-In).

Turn: ($54.70) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($54.70) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $54.70







Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($98.50)
Button ($381.87)
SB ($230.15)
BB ($107.36)
UTG ($111.86)
MP ($23.30)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, A. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, MP calls $1, Hero raises to $7, 3 folds, UTG folds, MP calls $6.

Flop: ($16.50) 3, J, 5 (2 players)
MP bets $1, Hero raises to $17, MP calls $15.30 (All-In).

Turn: ($49.80) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($49.80) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $49.80
BR: $.1k
Goal 2: July 1 $10k

IIbeatsUU: lol u raised with that?

you mini raised, therefore you desereve whatever you get....
 
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Old 04-26-2006, 03:55 AM #3 (permalink)  
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you'd think i'd have learned.

FullTiltPoker Game #594020517: Table Fort Apache - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:52:24 ET - 2006/04/25
Seat 1: kbart757 ($7.80)
Seat 2: joshuaashtondzl ($24.65)
Seat 3: crick1295 ($9.50)
Seat 4: gmason ($29.55)
Seat 5: sharkkaspy ($44.55), is sitting out
Seat 6: TOVY ($9.75)
Seat 7: irishguy7 ($22.80)
Seat 8: Donkathon ($11.25)
Seat 9: x Smart x ($21.40)
kbart757 posts the small blind of $0.10
joshuaashtondzl posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to joshuaashtondzl [Ah Ad]
crick1295 folds
gmason calls $0.25
TOVY calls $0.25
irishguy7 folds
Donkathon folds
x Smart x folds
kbart757 calls $0.15
joshuaashtondzl raises to $1
gmason calls $0.75
TOVY folds
kbart757 folds
*** FLOP *** [Js 3c Qh]
joshuaashtondzl bets $2
gmason calls $2
*** TURN *** [Js 3c Qh] [9d]
joshuaashtondzl bets $6
gmason raises to $26.55, and is all in
joshuaashtondzl calls $15.65, and is all in
gmason shows [3s 3h]
joshuaashtondzl shows [Ah Ad]
Uncalled bet of $4.90 returned to gmason
*** RIVER *** [Js 3c Qh 9d] [7d]
gmason shows three of a kind, Threes
joshuaashtondzl shows a pair of Aces
gmason wins the pot ($47.35) with three of a kind, Threes
joshuaashtondzl is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $49.80 | Rake $2.45
Board: [Js 3c Qh 9d 7d]
Seat 1: kbart757 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: joshuaashtondzl (big blind) showed [Ah Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 3: crick1295 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: gmason showed [3s 3h] and won ($47.35) with three of a kind, Threes
Seat 5: sharkkaspy is sitting out
Seat 6: TOVY folded before the Flop
Seat 7: irishguy7 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Donkathon didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: x Smart x (button) didn't bet (folded)
 
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Old 04-26-2006, 06:44 AM #4 (permalink)  
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haha im seriously going to kill myself

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($78.10)
SB ($287.74)
Hero ($183.15)
UTG ($97)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, Button raises to $3, SB (poster) calls $2.50, Hero raises to $9, Button folds, SB calls $7.

Flop: ($23) Q, T, 6 (2 players)
SB bets $30, Hero raises to $70, SB calls $40.

Turn: ($163) 3 (2 players)
SB bets $55, Hero calls $103.15 (All-In), SB calls $48.15.

River: ($369.30) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $369.30

Results in white below:
SB has 3d Tc (two pair, tens and threes).
Hero has Ac Ah (one pair, aces).
Outcome: SB wins $369.30.
BR: $.1k
Goal 2: July 1 $10k

IIbeatsUU: lol u raised with that?

you mini raised, therefore you desereve whatever you get....
 
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oh and just for fun i lost top two pair to a straight to the same guy for another stack like 2 hands later.

and then KK to AA, and set over set.
BR: $.1k
Goal 2: July 1 $10k

IIbeatsUU: lol u raised with that?

you mini raised, therefore you desereve whatever you get....
 
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Old 04-26-2006, 07:12 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Aces only lose small pots, or win big ones


Seat 1: pfb8888 ($9.20 )
Seat 2: Darylhitc ($31.93 )

Nipmuc: posts small blind [$0.10]
Hairpie posts big blind [$0.25]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to iloveyooo [ 3c 6s ]
Walkeye folds.
pfb8888 calls [$0.25].
Darylhitc calls [$0.25].
story folds.
iloveyooo folds.
Hayek checks.
Kingfuker calls [$0.25].
Nipmuc calls [$0.15].
Hairpie checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, Ac, Kh ]
Nipmuc checks.
Hairpie checks.
pfb8888 checks.
Darylhitc checks.
Hayek checks.
Kingfuker checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]
Nipmuc checks.
Hairpie checks.
pfb8888 checks.
Darylhitc bets [$1].
Hayek folds.
Kingfuker folds.
Nipmuc folds.
Hairpie folds.
pfb8888 calls [$1].
** Dealing River ** [ Jh ]
pfb8888 bets $1.50.
Darylhitc calls $1.50.
pfb8888 shows [Ad, As] three of a kind, aces.
Darylhitc shows [Jc, 6c] a flush, ace high.
Darylhitc wins $6.20 from main pot with a flush, ace high.
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Old 04-26-2006, 01:28 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I like the re-raise on the original post, he just overvalued his pocket 7's and gave you a bad beat. But the other two hands are a little light pre-flop, no? Just a little over 3xBB? I'd make it 1.25 to go with AA,KK,AK. They may have called regardless seeing as how hand 2 opp called a 3.50 bet with a gut shot and 3 flush.
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Old 04-26-2006, 05:42 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 Ummm there's really not much wrong with any of the first 3 hands. Don't be so hard on yourself, they were unlucky.
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