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Old 04-25-2006, 08:26 PM     Post subject: leading oop with a weak kicker. #1 (permalink)  
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saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($32.85)
Hero ($44.01)
UTG ($37.80)
UTG+1 ($7.50)
MP1 ($9.28)
MP2 ($4.85)
MP3 ($44.39)
CO ($17.05)
Button ($13.04)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, 5. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
5 folds, CO calls $0.25, 1 fold, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0.75) 2, 4, 8 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.5, CO calls $0.50, SB folds.

Turn: ($1.75) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $1, CO raises to $3, Hero calls $2.

River: ($7.75) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1, Hero calls $1.

Final Pot: $9.75

Results in white below:
Hero has 8c 5d (two pair, eights and fives).
CO has As 8h (straight, five high).
Outcome: CO wins $9.75.

This post is about flop betting.
This happens a lot, where you get trash in the bb and flop TP/NK. At a table full of unknowns (mostly donks of one sort or another) with 3 to the flop, do you lead out with what is probably the best hand, or play it soft to see what developes?
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Old 04-25-2006, 08:31 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I have similar problems playing out of the blinds. With 3 in the pot I would typically lead out, but slow down to a call. After leading the turn for a little more than half the pot I think you need to fold to his raise. As played, the river is fine.
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With my lagg aproach in casino games, I'm always playing hands like this, but I have position and much better reads. Playing online is like playing poker blindfolded.
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Old 04-25-2006, 08:59 PM #5 (permalink)  
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With my lagg aproach in casino games, I'm always playing hands like this, but I have position and much better reads. Playing online is like playing poker blindfolded.
Well no matter where you are, if you are in the BB and the CO is still in the hand, you dont ahve position and with his call on the flop and raise on the turn, arent you a little worried about what he may have? I agree that you dont have the same types of reads online as you do in person, but I would definitely not go so far as to say its playing blindfolded. Get a HUD, you will get way more information than you could in a casino, it just takes some time to figure out how to implement it all properly.
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I've got GT+ and PT. I don't use GT+ because I'm playing on a laptop without good resolution. I can 4-table with no overlap on party because they have an option to tile the screens. They're too small for GT+ tho, so I d/led the code. I'm planning to edit it so I can have that info in the smaller windows. Maybe I'll just ask if anyone has pp/pt/gt working on an emulator so I can use them on my linux box.

Anyway, what I was saying is that I have no trouble playing this type of hand in position, with better reads. OOP it's a bitch.
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