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Old 03-19-2006, 02:10 AM     Post subject: Lead out this flop? #1 (permalink)  
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I am fairly sure to get action if I check here...

Is it better to lead out or check raise?

Seat 1: iLLmATiK_21 ( $79.18 )
Seat 2: CHOSEN25 ( $2112.07 )
Seat 3: beryl111 ( $411.01 )
Seat 5: dutchman111 ( $267.25 )
Seat 6: BlackJack_17 ( $679.78 )
Seat 7: footon ( $195.55 )
Seat 8: kiosk_______ ( $430 )
Seat 9: chickadee604 ( $251.35 )
Seat 10: ndkdbd ( $390 )
Seat 4: Dayfly ( $392 )
>You have options at Church Bay (No DP) Table!.
Dayfly posts small blind [$2].
dutchman111 posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dayfly [ 2c 2s ]
BlackJack_17 folds.
>You have options at Church Bay (No DP) Table!.
footon raises [$8].
kiosk_______ folds.
chickadee604 folds.
>You have options at Church Bay (No DP) Table!.
ndkdbd calls [$8].
iLLmATiK_21 folds.
CHOSEN25 calls [$8].
beryl111 calls [$8].
Dayfly calls [$6].
dutchman111 calls [$4].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2h, Qs, 8h ]
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Old 03-19-2006, 02:51 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 03-19-2006, 02:59 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Old 03-19-2006, 03:07 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I am fairly sure to get action if I check here...

Is it better to lead out or check raise?
I'm sure you would get action if you check here but if you check/raise you announce your hand in a 6 way pot. If you lead you don't define your hand as much. Pot is $48 so I'd bet $30 to $40 and probably right in the middle of that at $35.
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Old 03-19-2006, 05:22 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Definitely bet pot here.
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Old 03-19-2006, 11:53 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Bet
how much?
$35
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Old 03-19-2006, 03:37 PM #7 (permalink)  
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If we lead for $35 here, what is our line on the turn when the 3rd heart hits? (it's an obvious lead if the 3rd heart does not hit on the turn).
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Old 03-19-2006, 10:01 PM #8 (permalink)  
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If we lead for $35 here, what is our line on the turn when the 3rd heart hits? (it's an obvious lead if the 3rd heart does not hit on the turn).
Bet/fold to a raise.
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Old 03-19-2006, 11:43 PM #9 (permalink)  
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I'm surprised no one has given any merit to a CR here. At a table full of tight-passives, then yes I think leading is better, but at a loose-aggressive table (or just plain bad table), I think I like a CR better. At 400NL+ where people are capable of making moves and such, I think a flop CR is not necesarilly a huge sign of strength. Say you have 8hxh or 9hTh/ThJh and check first to act. PFR bets out $35, gets one or two calls, and you CR to $150 - all in. Is a semi-bluff squeeze like this totally out of your arsenal?

Like I said before I think you need to include more info about how the table was playing Coco_Bill. I think both leading and CR'ing has its merits, but I would need more info on the table dynamic before I make a decision. As a default play I would lead $35-40 since I like to lead a wide range into the PFR.
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Putting in the 3rd bet with a set > putting in the 2nd bet with a set.
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