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Old 11-17-2005, 04:36 AM     Post subject: Lay it down? #1 (permalink)  
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What do you think? Does he have the BB special of 35o.. What do you do differently here with no reads?

FullTiltPoker Game #295359388: Table Monroe (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:30:12 ET - 2005/11/17
Seat 1: allLiving ($790)
Seat 2: Shamu80 ($205.70)
Seat 3: MILF69 ($587.60)
Seat 4: Matusow JR ($378)
Seat 5: 13mike ($993.30)
Seat 6: kcjohnwayne ($302.30)
13mike posts the small blind of $2
kcjohnwayne posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to allLiving [4d 4h]
allLiving calls $4
Shamu80 calls $4
MILF69 folds
Matusow JR folds
13mike calls $2
kcjohnwayne checks
*** FLOP *** [4s 6c 2c]
13mike checks
kcjohnwayne bets $15
allLiving raises to $30
Shamu80 folds
13mike folds
kcjohnwayne raises to $120
allLiving calls $90
*** TURN *** [4s 6c 2c] [Ks]
kcjohnwayne bets $178.30, and is all in
allLiving calls $178.30

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Old 11-17-2005, 05:00 AM #2 (permalink)  
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RAISE them PP's!!!
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Old 11-17-2005, 05:01 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Answer the question

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Old 11-17-2005, 05:06 AM #4 (permalink)  
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No reads, I play it the same.... If he did catch the BB special, you still have outs, but more often than not I think you're ahead here. I'm guessing he's got 2 clubs.
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Old 11-17-2005, 05:35 AM #5 (permalink)  
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I'd put him on a bluff also, trying to take down a low semi-coordinated board. I doubt a straight would bet the flop like that trying to scare you out of the pot, unless he is a smarter than average player, and can somehow put you on a set. My guess would be he has TPGK on the flop, two clubs, or a smallish PP that missed and he wants to take the pot down through aggression. Of which you are dominating all three, so the call is good, and I pay off the flopped straight or Rivered flush... You're ahead here too many times to lay this down.
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Old 11-17-2005, 06:11 AM #6 (permalink)  
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kcjohnwayne shows [7d 7c]
allLiving shows [4d 4h]
*** RIVER *** [4s 6c 2c Ks] [Tc]
kcjohnwayne shows a pair of Sevens
allLiving shows three of a kind, Fours
allLiving wins the pot ($609.60) with three of a kind, Fours
kcjohnwayne is sitting out
kcjohnwayne: nh
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $612.60 | Rake $3
Board: [4s 6c 2c Ks Tc]
Seat 1: allLiving showed [4d 4h] and won ($609.60) with three of a kind, Fours
Seat 2: Shamu80 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: MILF69 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Matusow JR (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: 13mike (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: kcjohnwayne (big blind) showed [7d 7c] and lost with a pair of Sevens

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Old 11-17-2005, 09:27 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Nice call. I like the reasons given by ChrisBCritter.
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Old 11-17-2005, 09:46 AM #8 (permalink)  
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On the flop, I'm raising to $50 flat and if he re-raises I'm all in. Certainly less inclined to dink around without reads.

How is this better or worse than your line?
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Old 11-17-2005, 09:58 AM #9 (permalink)  
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On the flop, I'm raising to $50 flat and if he re-raises I'm all in. Certainly less inclined to dink around without reads.

How is this better or worse than your line?
I play it the same except I raise to $40. (I am not sure why)
If he calls any non club I bet half his stack. If it's a club I treat my hand as a 10 out draw.
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Old 11-17-2005, 12:47 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 I'm curious as to why you didn't re-reraise the flop.
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Old 11-17-2005, 12:53 PM #11 (permalink)  
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I wanted to make sure he stayed in the hand with me. I put im on two pair or a higher PP and wanted to make sure he was on the leash.

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Old 11-17-2005, 01:13 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Since he was the blind, I'd have put him on something like 6,2. I'm not getting away from this.

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Old 11-17-2005, 02:00 PM #13 (permalink)  
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That would be one monster raise from 53, I play it the same without a read but I make the raise (as said before) abit bigger. As you got position, let him hammer again on the turn.
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