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Old 05-09-2006, 08:08 PM     Post subject: KQo out of position 100NL 6max #1 (permalink)  
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First post, so go easy on me

I'm still finding my feet at No Limit, but here was a big one where I rivered the nuts. How was my play up to that point though?

MP and Button both seemed to be loose players and poor overall, and I hoped to either steal the pot preflop, or at least narrow it down to just a single player.

Postflop the trickiest bit seems to be the turn. I guess I should discount the Ad and 9d, but should I also reckon on the amount I'll be able to extract off him if I hit my straight? Should I even check here, or just fire another barrel. He's called a pretty sizeable bet already. Comments?

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BB ($106.03)
UTG ($67.06)
MP ($22)
Button ($92.05)
Hero ($114.35)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Kd, Qs. MP posts a blind of $1. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, MP (poster) checks, Button calls $1, Hero (poster) raises to $5.5, 1 fold, MP calls $5, Button calls $5.

Flop: ($19) Td, 8s, Jd (3 players)
Hero bets $12, MP calls $16 (All-In), Button calls $16, Hero calls $4.

Turn: ($67) 3h (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero checks, Button bets $20.73, Hero calls $20.73.

River: ($108.46) As (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets $20, Button calls $49.32 (All-In), Hero calls $29.32.

Final Pot: $207.10
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Old 05-09-2006, 08:54 PM #2 (permalink)  
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With two loose callers I'm not crazy about raising weakish hands OOP. In position, sure.

Post-flop looks fine. I would consider pushing the flop after the all-in and call... button looks to be weak/drawing and you probably have a lot of outs against many of his possible holdings, if he calls. But better to push him off the hand and increase your chance of winning what is already a healthy pot against a short stack who is very likely to have a very beatable hand. As played is fine too... you can't possibly fold the flop, and his turn bet is basically pricing you in at over 4:1 with some money behind.

edit - just occurred to me that the small all-in raise means you probably *can't* push. I'd play it exactly like that if that were the case. You missed on the turn - try to see a cheap or free river. Given the situation, checking there is fine.
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Old 05-09-2006, 08:56 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Looks good.

Check looks okay on the turn as you are probably behind here and it looks doubtful that he will lay down his hand to a bet - also you might be able to take off a free card. He gives you good odds (4:1) to call.

Nice river. Well done.
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Old 05-09-2006, 09:39 PM #4 (permalink)  
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welcome to FTR. i play full ring but....i'd probably check the flop and hope for a reasonable bet to call with my draw. as a general rule (i think this applies to 6-max as well) it's usually not a great idea to throw a continuation bet when you are OOP (out of position) vs. 2 opponents.
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Old 05-10-2006, 03:09 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Thanks for the replies guys!

I wouldn't play this hand OOP against solid players, but these guys were so loose I felt it was a good opportunity.

As for continuation betting the flop I only do it with my made hands/good draws. Aren't you giving up too much info if you never c-bet a draw?

Oh, and I also realised shorthanded has its own forum - whoops, sorry!
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Old 05-10-2006, 03:11 AM #6 (permalink)  
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I shouldnt play this hand OOP by raising a bunch of donkish limpers.
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Old 05-10-2006, 03:15 AM #7 (permalink)  
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I play it pretty much the same. I would probably go the full $16 in one hit on the flop as I want to make it really clear I'm gambling here and will see a showdown against the short-buy.

The other option is to lead out for $8 and hope the short-buy pushes so you can re-raise all-in.
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You raise this hand preflop out of the blinds against a bunch of limpers?
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As for continuation betting the flop I only do it with my made hands/good draws. Aren't you giving up too much info if you never c-bet a draw?
i cbet draws plenty - just not usually OOP vs more than 1 opponent.
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Old 05-10-2006, 03:28 AM #10 (permalink)  
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You raise this hand preflop out of the blinds against a bunch of limpers?
It's a poster + short-buy and a button limper. If I pop this I can play shallow money poker with a GREAT shallow money hand. Axx boards give me crazy fold equity and I bet the ranch on any piece of the flop.

However, if I know the deep money limper is really live and is going to pay off way too much in an unraised pot, I would just complete. Quite often I have lots of early street fold equity here.
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Old 05-10-2006, 03:29 AM #11 (permalink)  
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I didn't notice how short he was

I've only recently switched from limit, and I've got to work on paying more attention to stack sizes!
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Interesting.
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I've only recently switched from limit,
Yea, me too. I was pretty much playing LHE exclusively since Aug.
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Gnomes what're you playing now?
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Currently playing $100NL FR and 6max. Probably stay here for awhile until I get the swing of NL cash. I've played tons of SnG's and MTT's in the NL format, just not much cash.
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