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pokerfan
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01-19-2008, 05:21 AM
Post subject: KK in tough spot
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villain was unknown(8/6.7 around 75 hands) and didnt do anything out of line at this table. Fold, call/reevaluate or just shove over?
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UTG ($200)
MP ($478)
CO ($206.50)
Button ($144)
Hero ($258)
BB ($227.40)
Preflop: Hero is SB with K , K .
UTG calls $2, 1 fold, CO calls $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $10, BB calls $8, UTG calls $8, CO calls $8.
Flop: ($40) T , 8, 3 (4 players)
Hero bets $35, BB raises to $80, UTG folds, CO folds, Hero ?
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BankItDrew
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You have three options:
1) call. check push turn
2) fold
3) raise
I think I would follow this order. Raising is the worst Idea because you're not going to get more value out of a raise against a player making a move, and you have no reads to suggest villain is making a move here. If you are up against a better hand, it adds another reason not to raise.
I put folding as 2nd option because I don't see myself folding KK here most of the time.
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Deanglow
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I would snap fold because you are 50/50 at best. Without the information that he is a complete donk, and the # of people behind him, make me fold.
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nutsinho
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calling and open shoving blanks is so much better than check shove omg
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
I would snap fold because you are 50/50 at best. Without the information that he is a complete donk, and the # of people behind him, make me fold.
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i agree with this. i dont know if i could bring myself to do it, but yeah.
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nutsinho
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i think you should fold though
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d0zer
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All this fold advice makes me very scared of 200NL. This is insta-push for me at 25NL....even vs a 8/6.7
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pokerfan
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this made me think a lot about moving down to 100 NL. Indeed scary when in doubt.
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Originally Posted by d0zer
All this fold advice makes me very scared of 200NL. This is insta-push for me at 25NL....even vs a 8/6.7
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pokerfan
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if i call his raise, i already put over 1/3 of my starting stack in the pot and past commitment threshold. After thinking this way, shoving right away might be a little better than call/reevaluate. As played, i chose to fold my KK coz his line looked pretty strong in multi-way pot.
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