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thenonsequitur
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12-20-2008, 12:40 AM
Post subject: KK preflop big pot
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This is my third hand at the table (just paid two blinds and now on the button). I have no stats or reads on the other players involved. May not be a whole lot to comment about this hand, but posting it here just in case.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop
MP1 ($50)
MP2 ($117.55)
MP3 ($19)
CO ($18.75)
Hero (Button) ($49.25)
SB ($39.85)
BB ($49)
UTG ($10.25)
UTG+1 ($20.60)
Preflop: Hero is Button with K , K
2 folds, MP1 raises to $2, MP2 calls $2, 2 folds, Hero raises to $7, 2 folds, MP1 raises to $26, 1 fold, Hero raises to $49.25 (All-In), MP1 ...
A few basic questions.
Do I get more value if I raise less (or even more) when it first gets to me after two callers?
Do I get more value if I call his re-raise instead of pushing all-in?
With no reads or stats (i.e. this case), does an average person at these stakes have AA often enough that I should consider folding here? (I can't imagine so, just want to confirm though).
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BankItDrew
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If you are ever going to fold KK preflop with these reads and stakes - this is the time.
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bigspenda73
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secksy 4bet size by villain, does anyone at FR under 400nl try to play well?
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kmind
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
If you are ever going to fold KK preflop with these reads and stakes - this is the time.
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what reads?
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badgers
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perfect imo, nice 3bet size also.
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BankItDrew
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Originally Posted by kmind
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
If you are ever going to fold KK preflop with these reads and stakes - this is the time.
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what reads? |
these ones:
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Originally Posted by thenonsequitur
This is my third hand at the table (just paid two blinds and now on the button). I have no stats or reads on the other players involved.
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mcatdog
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
If you are ever going to fold KK preflop with these reads and stakes - this is the time.
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What the hell? There's nothing particularly unusual about this hand. We 3-bet and got 4-bet. If you're ever going to fold KK preflop with no reads, it should be when your 3-bet gets 4-bet, is that really what you're saying?
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BankItDrew
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Originally Posted by mcatdog
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
If you are ever going to fold KK preflop with these reads and stakes - this is the time.
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What the hell? There's nothing particularly unusual about this hand. We 3-bet and got 4-bet. If you're ever going to fold KK preflop with no reads, it should be when your 3-bet gets 4-bet, is that really what you're saying? |
I think you just repeated yourself: We 3-bet and got 4-bet; it should be when your 3-bet gets 4-bet.
I have never folded KK after I have 4bet, only after being 4bet after my 3bet.
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Girlfriend: Why are the werewolves more important than living life?!
Girlfriend: Are you on the forums doing the werewolves again?
Girlfriend: Soo... you forgot to run that errand, but you had time to werewolf? Wtf?
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Renton
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i don't get why you'd flat call half your stack, just shove
you cannot fold this
your 3bet size isn't very good, you should go a bit bigger to like 8
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Deanglow
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make squeezes at least 4x
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
make squeezes at least 4x
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squeeze more often?
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Renton
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
make squeezes at least 4x
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squeeze more often? |
yeah but the main problem is that you are making it easy for the coldcaller to flat profitably with a wider range
the 3bet size isn't a huge mistake if it is one at all, since you are on the button anyways. 8$ just happens to be a bit more optimal for your whole range of hands
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
If you are ever going to fold KK preflop with these reads and stakes - then don't 3-bet here.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
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nutsinho
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wtf, this would be like the worst spot ever to fold kk...
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wtf, this would be like the worst spot ever to fold kk...
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this is what the bot is saying imo
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ZwiFT
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wtf, this would be like the worst spot ever to fold kk...
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aka_red
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
If you are ever going to fold KK preflop with these reads and stakes - this is the time.
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wrong its when you cold 4 bet and get cold 5 bet.
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BankItDrew
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Originally Posted by reDZill4
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
If you are ever going to fold KK preflop with these reads and stakes - this is the time.
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wrong its when you cold 4 bet and get cold 5 bet. |
lol
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Girlfriend: Why are the werewolves more important than living life?!
Girlfriend: Are you on the forums doing the werewolves again?
Girlfriend: Soo... you forgot to run that errand, but you had time to werewolf? Wtf?
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Parasurama
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Originally Posted by reDZill4
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
If you are ever going to fold KK preflop with these reads and stakes - this is the time.
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wrong its when you cold 4 bet and get cold 5 bet. |
haha, I really don't know why this thread is still going
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