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Old 08-15-2005, 04:16 PM     Post subject: KK played passive. #1 (permalink)  
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CO ($3)
Button ($3.10)
SB ($2.75)
BB ($8.35)
UTG ($3.80)
UTG+1 ($13.60)
MP1 ($17.95)
MP2 ($2.65)
Hero ($10)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A, Q.
UTG calls $0.10, UTG+1 raises to $0.3, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.5, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.40, UTG+1 calls $0.20.

Flop: ($1.65) Q, 4, J (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.7, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.70.

Turn: ($3.05) T (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $1.3, UTG+1 calls $1.30.

River: ($5.65) 5 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $3, UTG+1 calls $3.

Final Pot: $11.65


UTG+1 is check/calling me on all streets. He is just not sure who is winning here. He took a long time to call the river bet. Any indication I am beat here? I put him on AJ or KQ, I was wrong.
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Old 08-15-2005, 05:42 PM #2 (permalink)  
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He took a long time to call becaue you may have had AK, AA , QQ or JJ based on your re-raise preflop.

He raised 3 x's BB in early position and got re-raised. His play was terribly passive in this example, but effective because you did all the betting for him. He feared AA or QQ but you did not make is so expensive that he was forced to go away or reveal his strength. To the extent that you bet all along pot sized was good.

You didn't necissarily do anything wrong here aside from the re-raise w/ AQ. When you face an EP raise, especially against a passive opponent, you are going to want to think about mucking the AQ, AJ etc., but it's not wrong to re-raise once in a while to mix it up and avoid being predictable.

Next time, think about overbetting to find out if you are beat. His preflop raise could easily be AK, AA, KK or QQ. Any one of those hands could potentially check call you down and it would only be a mistake with the AK.

Let me ask you this, had you overbet the flop for $2.5o or 3 would you have folded that hand to a re-raise from him?
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Old 08-15-2005, 06:43 PM #3 (permalink)  
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He took a long time to call because you may have had AK, AA , QQ or JJ based on your re-raise preflop.

He raised 3 x's BB in early position and got re-raised. His play was terribly passive in this example, but effective because you did all the betting for him. He feared AA or QQ but you did not make is so expensive that he was forced to go away or reveal his strength. To the extent that you bet all along pot sized was good.

You didn't necessarily do anything wrong here aside from the re-raise w/ AQ. When you face an EP raise, especially against a passive opponent, you are going to want to think about mucking the AQ, AJ etc., but it's not wrong to re-raise once in a while to mix it up and avoid being predictable.

Next time, think about over-betting to find out if you are beat. His preflop raise could easily be AK, AA, KK or QQ. Any one of those hands could potentially check call you down and it would only be a mistake with the AK.

Let me ask you this, had you overbet the flop for $2.5o or 3 would you have folded that hand to a re-raise from him?
OK, don’t min raise. Got it.
The advice I looked up for AQo in LP facing a raise is to fold against a tight raiser or re-raise otherwise. I had no read on this guy so I reraised. If he had reraised me PF I would have folded. If he had reraised on the flop I would have folded. Heck, I remember being this passive with KK when I first started out. Oh well, this is one of those live and learn situations. I think most of the time the KK is going to play more aggressively here. I certainly would have expected a lead out bet on the flop. I am not sure what I could do better here other than consider that I might be beat. Hehe

Thanks for your comments.
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Old 08-15-2005, 07:20 PM #4 (permalink)  
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For what it's worth, I would bet bigger on the flop + turn, then probably check behind on the river.
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Old 08-15-2005, 09:31 PM #5 (permalink)  
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what can you do!? I was waiting for any info telling me I was beat, without it I put him on TP.. i even gave him the rest of his stack at the river...

** Game ID 293448395 starting - 2005-08-15 22:22:34
** Daytona [Hold 'em] (0.10|0.20 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- SinkRox sitting in seat 1 with $19.40 [Dealer]
- Peester16 sitting in seat 2 with $11.27
- 4MEA1 sitting in seat 3 with $13.89 [Sitting out]
- Taurus0001 sitting in seat 4 with $20.57
- RubberSoul sitting in seat 5 with $12.91
- sham3n sitting in seat 6 with $17.75
- JGildo sitting in seat 8 with $43.35
- Seebass sitting in seat 9 with $10.40
- rss999 sitting in seat 10 with $1.80

Peester16 posted the small blind - $0.10
Taurus0001 posted the big blind - $0.20
rss999 posted to play - $0.20

** Dealing card to SinkRox: Queen of Hearts, Queen of Diamonds
RubberSoul raised - $0.40
sham3n folded
JGildo folded
Seebass folded
rss999 folded
SinkRox raised - $1.20
Peester16 folded
Taurus0001 folded
RubberSoul called - $1.20

** Dealing the flop: Jack of Diamonds, 9 of Hearts, 4 of Spades
RubberSoul bet - $0.60
SinkRox raised - $2.40
RubberSoul called - $2.40

** Dealing the turn: 2 of Clubs
RubberSoul checked
SinkRox bet - $4.00
RubberSoul called - $4.00

** Dealing the river: 5 of Diamonds
RubberSoul checked
SinkRox bet - $5.40
RubberSoul went all-in - $5.31
RubberSoul shows: King of Hearts, King of Spades
RubberSoul wins $25.02 from the main pot

End of game 293448395
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