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Old 04-04-2005, 03:39 PM     Post subject: KK into a flush draw...right odds? #1 (permalink)  
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Jus played a strange KK hand. Table was fairly loose-aggressive and normally I would not have stayed after a flop like that (hard to bet to eliminate against these guys, I had tried in previous hands)

However, the turn card showed promise of a nut flush for me if it hit by the river. I have 2 questions about this hand but before you give advice, realise that these guys weren't betting as hard as they normally did...It felt like weakness bets to me. Ok the questions:

1 - Did I have the right drawing odds? (Still learning and cant calculate pot odds very well)

2 - Upon making the draw and seeing I had to act first on the river, what would've been the best way to maximise winnings (a leak I am working on also.) Was the 0.20c tempt bet too small, should I have checked or simply gone allin and hoped for a caller.

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BB ($3.75)
UTG ($2.20)
MP1 ($2.99)
MP2 ($1.64)
CO ($3.98)
Button ($4)
Hero ($4.92)

Preflop: Hero is SB with
UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.02, CO calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.1, BB calls $0.08, UTG calls $0.08, MP2 raises to $0.18, CO calls $0.16, Hero raises to $0.4, BB calls $0.30, UTG folds, MP2 calls $0.22, CO calls $0.22.

Flop: ($1.70) (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP2 bets $0.2, CO calls $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, BB calls $0.20.

Turn: ($2.50) (4 players)
Hero bets $0.1, BB calls $0.10, MP2 raises to $0.2, CO calls $0.20, Hero calls $0.10, BB calls $0.10.

River: ($3.30) (4 players)
Hero bets $0.2, BB calls $0.20, MP2 calls $0.20, CO folds.

Final Pot: $3.90

Results in white below:
BB has 4h Ah (two pair, aces and jacks).
MP2 has Kd As (two pair, aces and jacks).
Hero has Kh Kc (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins $3.90.
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Old 04-04-2005, 05:35 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Push preflop.

On the river, the pot is huge. Bet something bigger. You be about one millionth the pot on the river. Get some real value out of your hand.

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Quite simply, I agree. I'd be willing to bet you'd get an all in call from someone with trips. Go for it!
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Old 04-05-2005, 12:25 AM #4 (permalink)  
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You didn't have odds on the flop, assuming you put them on either an A or a J. On the turn, you definitely did - any K, T, or club = 2 + 3 + 9 = 14 outs. Roughly 29% for that to come in. The bet to call was less than 10% of the pot. Easy call.

Agreed that a larger river bet was in order. A push might have not gotten calls, but I think $0.50 or even $1 would easily (hell, I'd call with that sized pot).
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Old 04-05-2005, 01:44 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Thanks for the responses everyone!

Yes the minute I put in that limp bet on the river it felt too soft. So i'll use JeffreyGB's bet advice (it is an admitted leak im working to plug.)

Yea if I get action like that in the future rilla i'll push, esp considering how loose they were.

thanks again!
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Old 04-05-2005, 09:37 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Well, I don't even see betting after the flop.

If you have AA or KK, you raise, and get re-raised, then I'm all in preflop.

AK probably calls you here anyway (at these limits)
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Old 04-05-2005, 10:38 AM #7 (permalink)  
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hey doggz,

at micro limits I find you pretty much kill all competition going too crazy pre-flop. Keeping it around 2.5-5BB you at least keep a few people in the hand.

I find at micro limits they are maniacs and will either put you allin preflop (rarely happens imo at 0.01-0.02) or you bet about 0.10 and get 2-4people in.

I will keep this in mind when I move up limits however, I realise you dont want many opponents with KK/AA.
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Old 04-05-2005, 05:19 PM #8 (permalink)  

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Hm I found out being called all the time playing these microgames thats why I dont think that there are a lot of tactics possible. I would have Pushed it all the way holdin KK hopin not to get beaten by AA

But with this mayor Flush draw I would have checked waitin for some on else to make a bet on ther flush (or bluf) in order to reraise them. With these mircogames someone already in for a big bet on the river shall (99%) always call your reraise
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