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benny999

06-20-2006, 04:03 AM Post subject: KK with big pot to start flop

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KK is my 10th biggest loser after the first 81 times at 50nl, and these were some of the trickier pots. Please help. I am TAG in all these pots if it makes a difference.

#1

no stats, sorta new to table...my only read is based on one hand which CO played loose-passive on (called my 4bb pfr w/ KQ, called down on Q T 9 two-toned flop to 3/4 pot bets on flop/turn, checked behind on river).

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($9.50)
BB ($30.33)
UTG ($23.26)
UTG+1 ($113.62)
MP1 ($53.20)
MP2 ($21.37)
Hero ($49)
CO ($93.90)
Button ($47)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K

, K

. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.50, Hero raises to $3, CO calls $3, 1 fold, SB (poster) calls $2.75, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2.50, MP2 calls $2.50.

Flop: ($15.50) 7

, Q

(5 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $8, CO calls $8, SB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds.

Ugly flop with so many in the pot...a WA/WB except with a flush draw mixed in. I bet 1/2 pot to keep the pot somewhat small and give sort of bad odds but not push away all worse hands.

Turn: ($31.50) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $8, Hero calls $8.

I figured leading anything 1/2 pot or above would pot commit me if he calls. But, his small bet didn't tell me much since I saw him underplay his hand earlier and he could also be on a worse pair.

River: ($47.50) 3

(2 players)

Hero ??

Block bet around $10?

#2

Villain is 16/8 after 38 hands. I actually considered folding pre flop after a lot of AA vs KK lately, but didn't have a good enough read. I think I sould've just pushed pre flop. Does anyone like my pre flop call?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP1 ($84.95)
Hero ($49.75)
MP3 ($38.99)
CO ($16)
Button ($12.53)
SB ($89.30)
BB ($58.60)
UTG ($48.15)
UTG+1 ($32.75)
UTG+2 ($40.49)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K

, K

. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG raises to $2, 3 folds, Hero raises to $6, 5 folds, UTG raises to $20, Hero calls $14???.

Flop: ($40.75) 8

, 9

, A

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($40.75) J

(2 players)
UTG bets $24.81, Hero???

Fold, right? I'm now only really beating a bluff since I doubt QQ would do this.

#3

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($48.42)
Hero ($63.60)
UTG ($60.08)
MP1 ($61.20)
MP2 ($25.56)
CO ($60.16)
Button ($54.74)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

, K

. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
4 folds, Button raises to $2, SB (poster) calls $1.75, Hero raises to $7.5, Button folds, SB calls $6.

Ok he called off $8 pre flop so I decided I'm probably playing for stacks against a likely TT+. I might've been tilting with the flop overbet...but what's your line? Is there any way you are not all in at some point post flop?

Flop: ($18) 4

, T

, 7

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $20, SB calls $20.

Turn: ($58) 9

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $21, SB calls $20.42 (All-In).

River: ($99.42) 5

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $99.42

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AHiltz

06-20-2006, 01:39 PM

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#1 The way it was played a blocking bet is in order. $10-15

#2 your reraise needs to be stronger. When he raises back over top you have to access whether or not you think he has AA. If there's any thought of AK or QQ, push.

#3 why raise to $20 here against a few opps when you weakly bet #1 with many opps?

Miffed22001

06-20-2006, 02:58 PM

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raise more preflop?

benny999

06-20-2006, 04:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ahiltz

#3 why raise to $20 here against a few opps when you weakly bet #1 with many opps?

With heads up, I thought I was probably ahead in #3 so tried to get all in asap. Is that a bad strategy since it might cause all hands but a set to fold? I thought JJ/QQ would call my overbet. With 1/2 the table seeing the flop in #1, I had no idea where I was at.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ahiltz

#2 your reraise needs to be stronger

I usually do a 3x initial raise without any other callers. Are you suggesting to reraise to more like $10 to cut out implied odds? I'm not sure of the point of reraising stronger otherwise.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

raise more preflop?

I didn't expect so many calls...at most tables these raises/reraises will get all folds or 1-2 calls. I probably was new to the table or wasn't paying enough attention from multitabling to know what a meaningful raise was. Or maybe they all had pocket pairs. That made the hand really tricky for me.

AHiltz

06-20-2006, 11:22 PM

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You want to get money from them. You are only behind one hand. Make it $8 and it gets more money in there and gives him worse odds.

benny999

06-21-2006, 01:31 AM

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That makes sense but it seems risky if I make it $8 the other times I reraise with worse then AA/KK. I don't do that very much though - just sometimes like if I'm in position of a loose raiser with a suited connector or medium pocket pair...but probably not often enough to worry about $6 vs $8.

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06-21-2006, 01:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

raise more preflop?

The don't care to think about it response.

The first hand, i think you play it well but your blocking bet should be like 15. I mean, blocking and value.

Hand 3 is cool.

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