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Old 06-23-2008, 10:54 PM     Post subject: KK in 3bet pot 50NL #1 (permalink)  
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WTF, first cold caller is uber bad, the other is unknown

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
9 players
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Stacks:
UTG ($84.80)
UTG+1 ($22.30)
MP1 ($47.00)
MP2 ($56.65)
MP3 ($48.40)
CO ($57.15)
Hero ($91.70)
SB ($37.90)
BB ($50.05)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 9 players) Hero is BTN
2 folds, MP1 raises to $1.50, 2 folds, CO raises to $4.50, Hero raises to $12, SB calls $11.75, 1 fold, MP1 calls $10.50, CO folds

Flop: ($41, 3 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, Hero ($79.7)?
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Old 06-23-2008, 11:04 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Looks like a pretty easy push with the donkey in the pot. Effective stacks are only like $35 at this point so just ship it in. MP1 is unlikely to have AA because he'd be likely looking at a 4way pot by flatting there and we aren't scared by the donkey.
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Old 06-23-2008, 11:09 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I just pause and bet normally ~21 bucks.

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Old 06-24-2008, 12:43 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Gotta push it here. We can't wait for another card since any card could be bad for you. What positive outcome do we see in a 1/2 pot bet here that we don't have in a push?
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Old 06-24-2008, 12:49 AM #5 (permalink)  
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donkey calls with more hands if you bet less.

Once you bet into this pot there's effectively no bad cards since you're 100% pot commited, so who cares if you give one for cheap.
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Old 06-24-2008, 12:51 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 I would probably close my eyes and push
 
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Old 06-24-2008, 01:03 AM #7 (permalink)  
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4 bet bigger pre then shovel flop, if one of them, specifically mp1 has a set then its just a cooler. I also vouch for the idea of closing your eyes whilst pushing.
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Old 06-24-2008, 01:21 AM #8 (permalink)  
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you put in so much preflop, it doesn't matter if op had a set. Bet normally to induce the rare bluff push plus calls from all the hands that would normally call an AI + some more.

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Old 06-24-2008, 02:03 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Old 06-24-2008, 02:05 AM #10 (permalink)  
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4 bet bigger pre.
Not against terrible players who will follow a small mistake with a bigger one on the flop quite often and we don't have to balance weaker re-raise hands. I like his re-raise size.
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Old 06-24-2008, 11:58 AM #11 (permalink)  
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I checked the flop as I though one of the cold callers possibly had QQ/JJ. Once the checked turn I was pretty sure I had the best hand, so I bet small to a) either induce some kind of bluff raise or b) to get a weaker hand to call...thoughts

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Stacks:
UTG ($84.80)
UTG+1 ($22.30)
MP1 ($47.00)
MP2 ($56.65)
MP3 ($48.40)
CO ($57.15)
Hero ($91.70)
SB ($37.90)
BB ($50.05)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 9 players) Hero is BTN
2 folds, MP1 raises to $1.50, 2 folds, CO raises to $4.50, Hero raises to $12, SB calls $11.75, 1 fold, MP1 calls $10.50, CO folds

Flop: ($41, 3 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($41, 3 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $18, SB folds, MP1 folds

Final Pot: $41

Hero wins $38.95 ( won +$8.95 )
MP1 lost -$12.00
CO lost -$4.50
SB lost -$12.00
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Old 06-24-2008, 02:06 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Deffo don't check.

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Old 06-24-2008, 07:47 PM #13 (permalink)  
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So you're saying you plan to fold if one of them bets the flop?
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Old 06-24-2008, 09:38 PM #14 (permalink)  
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yeah you're just putting yourself in a horrible spot by checking the flop. You really don't want to see any diamond, T or an Ace. As played just shove again this isn't the spot to get tricky and your hand seems a lot like a set once you bet small.
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Old 06-25-2008, 01:34 AM #15 (permalink)  
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yea i think you probably get called a little lighter here if you just shove flop. looks a little like a missed AK that wants to maximize fold equity.
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Old 06-26-2008, 06:47 AM #16 (permalink)  
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 make the 4 bet preflop at least one third of CO's stack. Push flop.

The worst flop possible for KK in a 3 bet pot (let alone 4 bet) is a QJx board imo. The bet sizing preflop made this flop decision difficult, because betting $18 and facing a push does not mean i'm necessarily calling.


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