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KJo on CO 25NL; I played this hand like a donk

  
 
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Krieg1984
Old 05-16-2006, 05:14 AM     Post subject: KJo on CO 25NL; I played this hand like a donk #1 (permalink)  
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I let the pot size balloon out of control and I don't even know why I bet the turn. Being OOP is bad. All comments welcome, please tell me how bad I suck lol.

On a more serious note, how many of you bet this flop?

BTW no real reads on villian. He made a comment after the hand that he had "pair with draw" but who really knows. Also this is NOT 6 max, a few players recently got stacked and/or left the table.

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MP ($21.39)
Hero ($29.95)
Button ($17.71)
SB ($48.59)
BB ($8.25)
UTG ($14.10)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, J. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, Button calls $1, 1 fold, BB calls $0.75, UTG calls $0.75.

Flop: ($4.10) 6, K, 7 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $2.75, Button calls $2.75, BB folds, UTG folds.

Turn: ($9.60) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $5, Button raises all-in to $13.96, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $28.56

Results in white below:
No showdown. Button wins $28.56.
Lukie: "Yo Fnord I was playing omaha earlier"
Lukie: "I got dealt quads"
Lukie: "but everyone folded to my raise "
Lukie: "I was going to pwn everyone"
Fnord: "Gotta slowplay them big hands man..."
 
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Old 05-16-2006, 05:52 AM #2 (permalink)  
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i actually don't think this is that terrible. i bet that flop and i can understand betting the turn.
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Old 05-16-2006, 06:42 AM #3 (permalink)  
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i actually don't think this is that terrible. i bet that flop and i can understand betting the turn.
Why do you bet the flop and turn? Please elaborate if you would be so kind.
Lukie: "Yo Fnord I was playing omaha earlier"
Lukie: "I got dealt quads"
Lukie: "but everyone folded to my raise "
Lukie: "I was going to pwn everyone"
Fnord: "Gotta slowplay them big hands man..."
 
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Old 05-16-2006, 06:47 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I wouldn't have raised over the UTG limp. If the limper was in MP then I like the raise more but you know UTG is calling. Other than that, this isn't really that bad.
 
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Old 05-16-2006, 06:49 AM     Post subject: I think you played it ok. #5 (permalink)  
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I would have folded too.
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Old 05-16-2006, 06:52 AM #6 (permalink)  
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i actually don't think this is that terrible. i bet that flop and i can understand betting the turn.
Why do you bet the flop and turn? Please elaborate if you would be so kind.
How about to protect your hand? You're talking like you have 23o here. You can't regulary check down TPGK.
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Old 05-16-2006, 07:35 AM #7 (permalink)  
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i actually don't think this is that terrible. i bet that flop and i can understand betting the turn.
Why do you bet the flop and turn? Please elaborate if you would be so kind.
How about to protect your hand? You're talking like you have 23o here. You can't regulary check down TPGK.
Yea I guess I'm being afraid of ghosts here but I'm just trying to think more about the hand and how I play. I bet this kind of hand 99% of the time here.

The statement about the UTG limper makes a lot of sense, as well.
Lukie: "Yo Fnord I was playing omaha earlier"
Lukie: "I got dealt quads"
Lukie: "but everyone folded to my raise "
Lukie: "I was going to pwn everyone"
Fnord: "Gotta slowplay them big hands man..."
 
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Old 05-16-2006, 07:38 AM #8 (permalink)  
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I'll often check the turn here, there's not a lot of hands you can get value from and you may be well behind. If they check behind then go ahead and valuebet the river, you stand a much greater chance of being called by a hand like TT.

If they bet the turn then it's going to come down to reads. How aggressive/passive are they? Do they like to float?

PS I like the PR raise, pwn them limpers.
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Old 05-16-2006, 05:13 PM #9 (permalink)  
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i usually check the turn here and value bet the river unless his vpip is like 40+, then ill value bet all streets. so i probably play it the same way except i would make it 1.25 preflop.
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Old 05-16-2006, 05:57 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Come to think of it: viewing this guy's PT stats for the session (he was 50/15 for about 60 hands), combined with his little comment after the hand: "pair with draw", I'm almost positive he had 98. In that case he had 13 outs, but you can bet your ass he's not going to get me off a hand like that with a push next time. Especially when he doesn't have much money behind him as n the example hand.
Lukie: "Yo Fnord I was playing omaha earlier"
Lukie: "I got dealt quads"
Lukie: "but everyone folded to my raise "
Lukie: "I was going to pwn everyone"
Fnord: "Gotta slowplay them big hands man..."
 
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Old 05-16-2006, 06:00 PM #11 (permalink)  
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I like the preflop raise, I bet the same on the turn (maybe $3 if I feel frisky), but I probably check the turn. He bets 2/3 pot, I'm done. He checks, I bet 1/3-1/2 pot on the river and fold to a push. I call 1/2 pot or less on flop to see what hits on the turn.

I continue with KJ on the flop a lot. It may be a leak, but I think KQ and AK raise UTG at this level. Two pair is a possibility on the flop, so when I am called, I think this is where I go into defensive mode. High VP$IP makes K6, K7, and 67 more likely.....

I don't call any push on the river unless I see K on the turn and K on the river....
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