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BobbySalami
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05-19-2005, 01:29 AM
Post subject: Just when I thought I was getting good.........
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Limbo
Posts: 433
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I revert back to fishie mode and make the dumbest call of my life...... 
I dont have the exact hand history but of course ive been replaying it over and over again for 4 hours....I just cant get over what an idiot I am. This was $0.05/$0.10 NL...I was up $6 on the session until this one hit.
Anyways....
On the button...get dealt AQ
few limpers, MP raise to $0.30....fold to me, call....fold fold fold fold
Flop comes A K J
MP bets $1.50 into a $0.75 pot. Looked like an odd over bet to me, but I gave him to much credit.............I call (which was stupid..i should have reraised or folded I think.)
Turn is nothing.....MP goes all in for $9 more......I sit and stew thinking of the hands he could hold and thought all of them beat me but for some weird reason I called.
He turns over KK and I am toast.......then I went on tilt and lost even more money cuz I thought about what I huge idiot I am. This really puts a dent in my confidence.......
Please tell me how dumb I was....I need it to stick... 
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fjuanl
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analzye ur plays with the intention of improving your play, not to degrade your poker skills. if you always are hard on yourself about bad calls and such, you will play poker timid and afraid of failing. You need to have that confidence.
I would have re-raised on the flop (like you said) If he raises you again, I'd probably think your beat against AK or AJ. I would think he would raise more with KK preflop
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BobbySalami
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Originally Posted by fjuanl
analzye ur plays with the intention of improving your play, not to degrade your poker skills. if you always are hard on yourself about bad calls and such, you will play poker timid and afraid of failing. You need to have that confidence.
I would have re-raised on the flop (like you said) If he raises you again, I'd probably think your beat against AK or AJ. I would think he would raise more with KK preflop
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I know, I know. I just felt so dumb afterwards calling for some reason when I just knew I was beat, but I didnt reraise on the flop for info.....
It just stings the ol' ego.
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Estrop
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Yeah.. sometimes when I know I'm beat, I still find it hard to fold. But think about it. AKJ flop with AQ isn't nice. And if someone goes all in, think of the hands that can beat you. AK, AJ, AA, KK, JJ, QT. What other hands would push here? Someone with 9T isn't going to push there, or 88. Calling that, your either looking to split or lose.
Shouldn't be to hard to fold if you think about it that way..
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BobbySalami
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Originally Posted by Estrop
Yeah.. sometimes when I know I'm beat, I still find it hard to fold. But think about it. AKJ flop with AQ isn't nice. And if someone goes all in, think of the hands that can beat you. AK, AJ, AA, KK, JJ, QT. What other hands would push here? Someone with 9T isn't going to push there, or 88. Calling that, your either looking to split or lose.
Shouldn't be to hard to fold if you think about it that way..
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I know, I went through that exact same thinking in my head. But that little fishie inside of me kept saying..."Your good you have a pair of AA's". Stupid fishie............
This was such an easy fold it makes me sick. But I suppose I paid for a valuable lesson.
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Rondavu
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When he went all in after the turn, he was trying to chase you off a gut shot straight draw. Coincidentally, that's exactly what you were on and didn't even realize it.
You have to be careful on a broadway flop when it was raised preflop. Often with heavy betting, top pair is a dog. This is just one of those things you'll have to learn how to fold against.
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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You have to be careful on a broadway flop when it was raised preflop.
Yeah see that AK post that was floating around.
It seems like you know where you went wrong so I'll just say:
The gut is usually right. First step is training the gut - this never ends I don't think, your gut should just get better. Maybe Doyle's gut has learned all it can? 
Next, and harder step, is listening to the gut. Sometimes hard to do. The other day in a SNG, limped pot, I had 78, flop came 765 two spades, checked around. Turn is the spade, I bet 1/2 pot and get called. I'm ready to wave the flag... then the 7 comes off on the end. Guy checks to me, my gut SCREAMS check! check! but no, I decide to 'value' bet and get raised. The raise was low enough I had to call at that point, turned out he had floped the str8 plus the flush draw and was uber slow playing the whole way. I hate the way he played the hand, but the point is if I'd listened to my gut I would have been out 100 chips instead of the 350 or so that I lost.
EVERYONE made these calls when starting out if that makes you feel any better. Learning to lay down a big pair when the board is scary is a tough step, but as you said a few more like this and you'll get there.
Estrop is right on - asking "what do I beat here" (preferrably in a Mike Sexton voice) is key.
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BobbySalami
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Thanks guys. I dont believe I will make this mistake again when it is this obvious staring me in the face.......good advice from all of you.
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