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daven
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08-05-2008, 06:36 AM
Post subject: jj stop n go standard?
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ok, I'm trying to understand stop n go play
Villain is 10-9, 5% 3-bet and a 6ptBB/100 winner over 10k hands
standard?
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (9 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
MP2 ($201.90)
MP3 ($172.75)
Hero ($104)
Button ($131.75)
SB ($128)
BB ($60)
UTG ($200)
UTG+1 ($199)
MP1 ($100)
Preflop: Hero is CO with J , J .
5 folds, Hero raises to $3.5, Button raises to $12, 2 folds, Hero calls $8.50.
Flop: ($25.50) 6 , 9 , 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $17,
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what is this bet meant to achieve?
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daven
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fold out QQ/KK
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uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh did you say fold QQKK
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daven
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Originally Posted by Renton
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh did you say fold QQKK
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tongue sorta in cheek... 3-betting range of villain is almost entirely AA/KK/AK/QQ and a tiny piece of JJ/TT/ATC.
Bet was about defending my hand, although I'm pretty sure QQ folds here, so does AK, and JJ. I also think that this is the only way I might get KK out of the hand. Basically I'm turning my hand into a bluff.
Dunno really, I'm trying to figure out the pros and cons of stop n go!
4-betting and I'll end up against AA/KK only, but I want to see a flop. Checking and it's a guaranteed c-bet and I don't particularly want to c-r allin. So I bet 3/4 pot, not quite pot-fucked and check some more detailed stats if he pushes over.
I'm thinking loads about 3betting at the moment - how/when to do it, and how to react to it. Comments welcome.
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qq never ever ever folds ever ever
ever
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Originally Posted by daven
fold out QQ/KK
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lol these hands never fold here, prolly just fold pre as we are going to be oop for the rest on the hand and it doesn't play that well vs his 3betting range.
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Originally Posted by daven
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Originally Posted by Renton
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh did you say fold QQKK
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tongue sorta in cheek... 3-betting range of villain is almost entirely AA/KK/AK/QQ and a tiny piece of JJ/TT/ATC. |
Maybe I'm way off but if you say he 3bets 5% thats quite a bit at 100nl (esp. for a 10/9) from what I've seen, and it definitely includes more than AA, KK, AK, QQ etc., in position. I don't know how much it changes the play in this situation, but I really think 5%, especially in a CO/button situation, includes more than just hands that beat you.
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fold qq/kk? have you ever played poker before this hand?
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id play nothing worse than Kk this way (looking to stack off obviously)
JJ never, QQ rarely
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I could be wrong but isn't the idea of a stop n go more applicable to tourney poker?
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fold qq/kk? have you ever played poker before this hand?
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hmmm, guess my analysis is way off then!
so pre-flop is a fold?
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Originally Posted by Renton
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh did you say fold QQKK
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There you go line-stepping again.
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