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daven
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07-08-2008, 08:02 AM
Post subject: JJ overpair vs min checkraise, paired board
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Note villain's stacksize.
Pre-flop is standard.
Flop, I'm always c-betting here. The check-raise is interesting and my aggro self wants to push.
Assuming standard and slightly loose ranges of the BB - 22-JJ, SCs, Axs
I look like an overpair or AK/KQ c-bet. Villain isn't scared, but probably likes his hand with 77+. If I push I look like AA and doubt I get a call from any hands I beat. If I call it's a $58 pot and villain has less than a psb left - meaning I'm getting it in. Folding feels nasty weak. There are a lot of 6s in villain's range given his line. I also have to consider CO...
Thoughts?
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (9 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
MP1 ($96.25)
MP2 ($67)
Hero ($155.80)
CO ($108)
Button ($36.50)
SB ($58)
BB ($100)
UTG ($100)
UTG+1 ($82.45)
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J , J .
2 folds, MP2 calls $1, Hero raises to $4.5, CO calls $4.50, 1 fold, SB calls $4, 1 fold, MP2 calls $3.50.
Flop: ($19) 6, 6, 5 (5 players)
SB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $11, CO calls $11, SB raises to $22, MP2 folds, hero????
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aka_red
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dude you think too much.
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daven
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Originally Posted by reDZill4
dude you think too much.
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i pushed. Thinking came later - I don't think pushing was +EV, regardless of whether or not I stole the pot
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aka_red
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worse rarely calls.
he cant bluff call.
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daven
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Originally Posted by reDZill4
worse rarely calls.
he cant bluff call.
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exactly = why i posted this hand. I think folding > calling > pushing - but folding feels SO weak!
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aka_red
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felting > folding > pushing.
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gametight
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cbet bigger. EZ shove over imo.
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3bet to $65/f
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LOL OPERATIONS
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badgers
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Originally Posted by bigred
3bet to $65/f
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wait wat?
are you saying we should fold to a 4bet or are you saying that folding is another alternative.
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Raise more pre-flop.
Slightly bigger flop bet.
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pokerfan
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$15 flop c-bet and shove over small stack's c/r. There's not a lot you can do here but felt it with your over pairs.. it'd be cooler if either sb or CO turned over 55 ,QQ+ or trip 6.
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by daven
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Originally Posted by reDZill4
dude you think too much.
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i pushed. Thinking came later - I don't think pushing was +EV, regardless of whether or not I stole the pot |
I do. Even if he did have a hand this time. Against a full stack unknown it would be closer but my experience is these medium stacks minraise/fold to a shove a high percentage.
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Originally Posted by badgers
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Originally Posted by bigred
3bet to $65/f
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wait wat?
are you saying we should fold to a 4bet or are you saying that folding is another alternative. |
Yeah, is this bad?
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pokerfan
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wow!! if you wanna fold to a 4 bet, whats the point of 3 bet raising in this spot? I never fold to a 4 bet after sticking in half effective starting stack on this flop.
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Originally Posted by bigred
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Originally Posted by badgers
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Originally Posted by bigred
3bet to $65/f
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wait wat?
are you saying we should fold to a 4bet or are you saying that folding is another alternative. |
Yeah, is this bad? |
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badgers
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I'm still confused by what you mean but 3bet/folding is terrible bad because they can be shoving draws.
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Fnord
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I would shrug and fold the flop, for what it's worth.
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ATOTHEC101
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pokerfan i think you just got leveled by bred, and in relation to the hand im folding to the minraise by the sb.
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