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Old 06-23-2009, 11:35 PM     Post subject: JJ Overpair, confused at turn check min raise #1 (permalink)  
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I think this was a terrible terrible terrible fold upon review. If we call turn, are we calling a river bet? A half pot bet? A shove?


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UTG ($46.15)
UTG+1 ($36.75)
MP1 ($41.45)
MP2 ($50)
CO ($25.05)
Hero (Button) ($50)
SB ($35.15)
BB ($47.05)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J
UTG calls $0.50, 4 folds, Hero bets $2.50, 2 folds, UTG calls $2

Flop: ($5.75) 3, 2, 2 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $3.50, UTG calls $3.50

Turn: ($12.75) 8 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $7.50, UTG raises to $15, Hero folds

Total pot: $27.75 | Rake: $1.35
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Old 06-23-2009, 11:47 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I think your fold is not as bad as you might think. He's repping very little and I can see this being some rediculous slowplayed KK/AA or just a set. He can't expect you to fold to a turn minraise, and this line is usually not a bluff. He probably thinks he has the best hand, or is 'seeing where he is at'.

Anyway, I call in this spot and see what he does on the river -- sizing and timing will help me decide what to do.
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Old 06-24-2009, 12:39 AM #3 (permalink)  
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he probably got you beat but i'd still call his turn minraise and any reasonable river bet. Sometimes i can see a fold against very loose passive players over a large sample size of hands.
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Old 06-24-2009, 09:16 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I think your fold is not as bad as you might think.
i call though, and assess on river
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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Old 06-24-2009, 10:09 AM #5 (permalink)  
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there's a huge difference between a c/minraise and a minbet
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 I hate these spots. I don't mind a fold actually.

looks like he's trying to build a sneaky pot.

sigh, fold.
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Old 06-24-2009, 12:02 PM #7 (permalink)  

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isn't c/c c/r the mortal nuts?? i dont mind a fold either
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Old 06-24-2009, 02:42 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I thought limp/calls at full ring were pretty much always pocket pairs hoping to flop a set and get paid? As BluffCheck just said, c/c c/r is the most common line they take, isn't it?
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Old 06-24-2009, 04:29 PM #9 (permalink)  
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I thought limp/calls at full ring were pretty much always pocket pairs hoping to flop a set and get paid? As BluffCheck just said, c/c c/r is the most common line they take, isn't it?
no, this guy is a fish
but that just makes it that much more likely that he has something like A2 or even lol AA
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