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spino1i

07-02-2005, 01:21 AM Post subject: JJ out of position.. help!

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How should this have been played? This guy played his KK incredibly unusually limping in after several others..

***** Hand History for Game 2294695878 *****
$400 NL Hold'em - Friday, July 01, 21:22:23 EDT 2005
Table Table 36662 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: DrawoutK ( $78.9 )
Seat 3: hifructose ( $204.1 )
Seat 4: brneyedgrl1 ( $434 )
Seat 5: GILBERT_MAN ( $345.9 )
Seat 6: Vika79 ( $463.35 )
Seat 7: gledhi ( $681.1 )
Seat 8: SABERTUUTH ( $234.6 )
Seat 9: mirrorman_84 ( $471 )
Seat 10: bogjavul123 ( $979.15 )
Seat 1: EvilEcstasy_ ( $396 )
EvilEcstasy_ posts small blind [$2].
DrawoutK posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to EvilEcstasy_ [ Jd Jc ]
hifructose folds.
brneyedgrl1 folds.
GILBERT_MAN calls [$4].
Vika79 calls [$4].
gledhi calls [$4].
SABERTUUTH folds.
mirrorman_84 folds.
bogjavul123 folds.
EvilEcstasy_ raises [$24].
DrawoutK folds.
GILBERT_MAN folds.
>You have options at Table 36843 Table!.
Vika79 calls [$22].
gledhi calls [$22].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, 9s, 7c ]
EvilEcstasy_ bets [$55].
>You have options at Table 36864 Table!.
Vika79 folds.
gledhi calls [$55].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]
EvilEcstasy_ checks.
gledhi bets [$100].
>You have options at Table 36803 Table!.
EvilEcstasy_ calls [$100].
** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
EvilEcstasy_ checks.
>You have options at Table 36843 Table!.
gledhi bets [$100].
EvilEcstasy_ calls [$100].
gledhi shows [ Kd, Kc ] two pairs, kings and sevens.
EvilEcstasy_ doesn't show [ Jd, Jc ] two pairs, jacks and sevens.
gledhi wins $593 from the main pot with two pairs, kings and sevens.

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ensign_lee

07-02-2005, 06:25 AM

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erg.......

That turn card really screwed you up, didn't it, giving you an OESD to go with your Jacks.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure there's anything you can really do here. Preflop, you raised in near late position to try to limit the field; that worked...sorta. Too bad the only callers you got were going to act AFTER you. Flop, you had overs that were vulnerable to sets, and maybe some people with an 8, and to anyone with clubs. You bet nearly the pot, so I certainly can't fault you there, as any bet bigger than that, and only hands that own you call you.
Turn gives you the OESD, so you bet big for two purposes: 1)if you're beaten, this semibluff might work, and if it doesn't, you now have outs 2) you may still have the best hand at this point.
River, out of position, into a now $350 pot, I can see calling $100 out of position. I mean, you're at least that confident that you're winning, right?

Yowzers. If you're as aggressive as I am when I play, this is the kind of person that you hate; just calling nearly the whole way, not telling you crap about his hand. Sorry, no advice here, man. From a pretty aggressive person's point of view, this hand couldn't have been played better unless you already knew what his hand was preflop.

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BIGandRICH

07-02-2005, 06:47 AM

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yeh i agree.. if he's going to play KK like that then your in trouble, its a bitch of a thing to try and read.. a guy did it to me with AA the other day and i flopped a set.. but so did he.. damn.

but if he's going to limp call his KK he's asking for trouble.. sooner or later someone will catch a set or straight on him.. hopefully it will be you.

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i call with a set (i have him owned)
i win pot
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Fnord

07-02-2005, 09:59 AM

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What would 'rilla do?

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07-02-2005, 10:06 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

What would 'rilla do?

Lose many $2k pots!

The turn card really suck for you here, it opens out your outs which makes the hand so much more playable, even though you are still dominated. It's tough not to lose a few chips on this one.

Fnord

07-02-2005, 10:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dwarfman

Lose many $2k pots!

I missed this story. Link?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

07-02-2005, 10:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwarfman

Lose many $2k pots!

I missed this story. Link?

I can't find it now!

a500lbgorilla

07-02-2005, 11:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwarfman

Lose many $2k pots!

I missed this story. Link?

There was a big pot and it went to the other guy.

First 2k pot I ever lost.

-'rilla

a500lbgorilla

07-02-2005, 12:07 PM

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You've gotta just complete the SB here. If you raise and get called by anyone, you're forced to lead the flop for about the pot and you lose all control over the pot size. To play the hand aggressively, you're gonna dig yourself deep and put yourself in a really shitty position. As evidenced by this hand. I will complete/check almost every hand in the SB and BB except AA/KK which I will raise with.

That being said.

Lead the turn again. The board has gotten really ugly and you need to give your opponent another chance to declare his hand. If you check, you're allowing any hand to steal the pot from you and many hands to value bet against you. You could try and check-raise the turn and lead the river if he checks behind. But that will really commit you, and against an op this passive with KK, you probably get called too much on the river (if he calls the turn).

If you lead the turn and get called, you've gotta check/fold the river. No worse hands are going to bet at the pot on the river.

-'rilla

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