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Beck
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06-22-2009, 11:49 PM
Post subject: JJ in MP
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Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP1 ($58.10)
Hero (MP2) ($52)
MP3 ($10)
CO ($9.25) the average short stack donk
Button ($3.15)
SB ($26.40)
BB ($49.70)
UTG ($55.70)
UTG+1 ($112) regular tight aggressive player
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J , J
1 fold, UTG+1 bets $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $2, 1 fold, CO raises to $9.25 (All-In), 3 folds, UTG+1 calls $7.25,
Hero calls or raise?
I thought this was a tough decision. I am fine going all in vs the short stack. very likely I am ahead. or 54%, but the UTG+1 can have AJ+, JJ+. so should I re-raise now and try and isolate vs just the short stack? should I just call and see a flop and any non A or K board bet out? I really don't think folding is an option at this point.
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-Beck
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Parasurama
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what are utg+1's stats? assuming typical full ring nittyness I would call and play carefully
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Beck
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Originally Posted by Parasurama
what are utg+1's stats? assuming typical full ring nittyness I would call and play carefully
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As stated above he is an average tight aggressive player.
-beck
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-Beck
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daven
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i think folding here is fine. You barely have set odds and even on a 742 flop you're going to be scared...
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kmind
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Call
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ZwiFT
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Call, utg is gonna play so straight forward with u behind and shortstacker all in.
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Beck
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I honestly hate these short stack donks. They just piss me off
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-Beck
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DaGrinch
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You have to call $7.25 to win $21.25. And you have position to boot. Looks like an easy call. I suppose it's possible that UTG+1 has a big hand and was slowish playing knowing that uber donk would most likely re-raise but I call and proceed with caution.
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DaGrinch
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If you have about 7 min to spare then here is a damn fine instructional video on Pocket J's. Probably made the rounds on FTR already.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP9CBtSW0kA
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daven
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Originally Posted by Beck
I honestly hate these short stack donks. They just piss me off
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i hate having to be more aware of my play, my position, the position of other players, their tendencies...
shortstacks are fine. They mean more rakeback too.
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ZwiFT
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Originally Posted by daven
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Originally Posted by Beck
I honestly hate these short stack donks. They just piss me off
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i hate having to be more aware of my play, my position, the position of other players, their tendencies...
shortstacks are fine. They mean more rakeback too. |
If they mean more rakeback, they mean you pay more rake which in the end is a bad thing  You just dont notice it on the surface D
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BluffCheck
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calling seems to be the general consensus
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daven
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Originally Posted by daven
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Originally Posted by Beck
I honestly hate these short stack donks. They just piss me off
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i hate having to be more aware of my play, my position, the position of other players, their tendencies...
shortstacks are fine. They mean more rakeback too. |
If they mean more rakeback, they mean you pay more rake which in the end is a bad thing You just dont notice it on the surface D |
not if it's dealt rather than contributed, right?
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surviva316
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Originally Posted by DaGrinch
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lol please tell me this video is a joke. i lolled the whole way along. the open limp/call/call in late stages was hilarity
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Beck
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Originally Posted by DaGrinch
You have to call $7.25 to win $21.25. And you have position to boot. Looks like an easy call. I suppose it's possible that UTG+1 has a big hand and was slowish playing knowing that uber donk would most likely re-raise but I call and proceed with caution.
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That is what I thought, and called. Like you I am assuming that a tight aggressive player will want me out of the hand at this point and raise if he has AA or KK. So maybe by moving all-in he will put me on AA or KK slow playing him, and then fold.
any thoughts?
-beck
flop is   :Td:
and as hoped, UTG+1 checks
pot (~29) hero ? feeler bet of 10-15 or strong bet 20-30 or check which i think is wrong here.
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-Beck
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