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zook
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01-12-2007, 04:30 PM
Post subject: JJ limp re-raised by lagg
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Villain is 36/14 over ~900 hands. I've only been at the table an orbit. UTG limp re-raises signal big hands to me, but I've never seen one from an opp with such a high PFR%. What's your play/plan?
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Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is CO with J J
UTG calls, 3 folds, Hero raises to $4, 3 folds, UTG raises to $13, Hero...
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Renton
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If you've played 900 hands against a guy, you should understand the general character of his game, and no one can tell you the right play here but you.
I probably fold.
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zook
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Originally Posted by Renton
If you've played 900 hands against a guy, you should understand the general character of his game, and no one can tell you the right play here but you.
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Mostly mined. I've played ~60 hands with him and he's laggy and likes to play table captain. He bluffs and has shown down marginal hands, but isn't terrible. I've never seen him limp re-raise.
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Miffed22001
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we can pretty much put him on two hands, no matter what his stats.
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zook
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
we can pretty much put him on two hands, no matter what his stats.
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Ok, thanks. This is why I posted the hand. To get opinions like this, or contrary.
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Renton
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
we can pretty much put him on two hands, no matter what his stats.
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No.
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BankItDrew
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I agree with Miffed. I've seen AA or KK 99% of the time when someone limp re-raises. I don't see the +EV in a call.
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Renton
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ive seen it with AA/KK/AK, the other day this guy limpreraised me with JJ and I stacked him with my KK. People also do it with small pairs a lot (i have).
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jdubs
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limp- reraise steal? isn't a bad idea actually is it, especially against a fairly LAG player. I will have to consider adding that one- obviously not a move you make often, and def not against a calling station donk, but I like the idea.
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
I agree with Miffed. I've seen AA or KK 99% of the time when someone limp re-raises. I don't see the +EV in a call.
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You're obviously not playing at my tables. No fucking way I fold here.
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
I agree with Miffed. I've seen AA or KK 99% of the time when someone limp re-raises. I don't see the +EV in a call.
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You're obviously not playing at my tables. No fucking way I fold here. |
For once i disagree.
Folding> 3betting hard > calling.
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
Folding> 3betting hard > calling.
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I want to see a flop and if he's FoS, I want him to bet into me as it would be a $26ish pot with $50ish behind.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Folding> 3betting hard > calling.
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I want to see a flop and if he's FoS, I want him to bet into me as it would be a $26ish pot with $50ish behind. |
arent we commited if we call any sort of flop type lead when the flop likes us? Opp leads half potish on low board (50ish pot with 35-40behind?)
I like JJ as a hand but i dont like going busto with it in spots like this.
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
I like JJ as a hand but i dont like going busto with it in spots like this.
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It's not a full buy-in and I think he's FoS. I'm fine with stacking off for 67bb on a nothing board. My only alarm bell here is that he happens to be EXACTLY UTG.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
I like JJ as a hand but i dont like going busto with it in spots like this.
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It's not a full buy-in and I think he's FoS. I'm fine with stacking off for 67bb on a nothing board. My only alarm bell here is that he happens to be EXACTLY UTG. |
that was my reason for putting him on two hands, if he'd been UTG+1 or even any other seat bar the sb id have called for sure and have considered strongly stacking off for 2/3rds a stack versus a player i assume to have a precarious/gambooling image (slaggy) but then thats mybe contradictory. Should we really be stacking off here despite opp being slaggy...?
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Originally Posted by Renton
ive seen it with AA/KK/AK, the other day this guy limpreraised me with JJ and I stacked him with my KK. People also do it with small pairs a lot (i have).
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I do it against late position isolationists but I'd never do it w/AA/KK. I usually have 9Ts or 66. If he doesn't really have a read on you it makes his hand range more narrow and more of a fold.
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Renton
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i think if u do it with air, you need to at least occasionally show up with KK+ for balance
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Beck
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UTG + limp re-raise, = AA or KK most of the time
also
UTG + min raise, then re-raise = AA or KK most of the time
especially from a 14% PFR
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