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Old 12-07-2006, 07:14 AM     Post subject: J-10 Suited Flop Nuts. How to Bet Turn... #1 (permalink)  
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 I flopped the nuts in a multiway raised pot. Any comments on how i should've played any parts of this hand differently are appreciated.

Game: ********** $1.00/$2.00 NL Hold'em

Dealt to Hero: Js-10s

UTG ($45.30): Folds
UTG +1($412): Calls $2
MP 1($197): Folds
MP 2($224): Calls $2
Hero (MP 3) ($205.40): Calls $2
CO($24): Folds
Button($97): Folds
SB($312.90): Raises $5 to $6
BB($274): Calls $4
UTG +1: Calls $4
MP 2: Calls $4
Hero (MP 3): Calls $4

Flop: 9s 8s 7h

SB: Bets $20
BB: Folds
UTG +1 Folds
MP 2: Folds
Hero (MP 3): Calls $20

Turn: 2d

SB: Bets $60
Hero (MP 3): ?

Obviously i am not debating whether my hand is good or not. What i am wondering is will an AI bet, a small reraise (min reraise i guess), or a call turn and AI on river is the best way for me to get this guy to put the rest of his money in. I figure he either has an overpair (A-A, K-K) or a set (7-7, 8-8, or 9-9). I think he will fold the overpairs to any turn raise and will c/f river if i just call. I think he might go AI on turn with his sets, but i have only been at the table for a few hands and have no idea what/ how this guy has been playing.

Finally, if i did call the turn and a 2h hits the river (i might puke). But, if he bet river do i even call?
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Old 12-07-2006, 09:25 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 I think it kinda depends on how aggressive you normally play. If you're normally rather passive, a turn raise (which is the best play here) might indeed scare off the hands you beat. It's still the way to go though.

(btw I get the impression you called the turn, and got stacked on the river by a boat, am I right?..)
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Old 12-07-2006, 04:04 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I like raising the flop. If he's good he may stack off with a set knowing he has outs to improve. If he's bad he may stack off with a set, because dude it's a set. "fast play is the new slowplay"

Raising the turn is very transparent.

J, T, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5 are all scare cards to either you or villain that will shut down action. One of these will hit the turn ~50% of the time
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Old 12-07-2006, 04:51 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 raise the flop IMO. the board is so draw heavy that an overpair may 3bet push (as will a set or under-straight)
If you raise You may also get a c/r all in line from a big pair/set also as the turn is a blank as not many people will expect you to raise on the flop with teh flopped nuts, they expect that on the turn. Raising the turn = monster, riasing the flop = trying to use fold equity.
As played i call the turn, opp has to block bet or push a big hand leaving us lots of raising/pushing options behind that probably commit opp to calling for the pot odds. If the board pairs meh, pot odds are probably too good to find a fold.
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 Raise teh flop, too many scare cards can come that will absolutely kill your action.
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