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Old 11-16-2009, 04:03 PM     Post subject: ITT I'm a bit confused #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain is a good loose reg who views me as solid. He 3bets me pre a lot in position because I fold a lot.

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MP2 ($600)
Hero (CO) ($695)
Button ($1528.75)
SB ($784.75)
BB ($735.20)
UTG ($639.90)
MP1 ($791.20)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6, 7
3 folds, Hero bets $18, Button calls $18, 1 fold, BB calls $12

Flop: ($57) 6, 5, 6 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $36, Button calls $36, BB calls $36

Turn: ($165) J (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $124, Button calls $124, 1 fold

River: ($413) K (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $198, Hero calls $198

Total pot: $809 | Rake: $3
 
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Old 11-18-2009, 03:36 PM #2 (permalink)  

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I woulf of clalled and put him on a-q or under cards looking for a str8 also
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 river is bet-fold or check-call, I prefer check-call if villain is solid. Reason is that once the king comes and you keep betting your range starts to look incredibly strong and you aren't getting a 3rd street of value vs TT.

When you check, your line looks loads like QQ while a check-shove is folding out AK. Checking is good cos it will induce a bet from most Kx hands (Kxdd KJ are in his range?) expecting a hero call. His sizing suggests that he's after value, but you're ahead here enough.
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Old 11-19-2009, 01:51 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 There are no jacks in his range, no kings, no AA, no 22-44, no 77-TT.
 
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Old 11-21-2009, 03:40 AM #5 (permalink)  
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There are no jacks in his range, no kings, no AA, no 22-44, no 77-TT.
Do you mean that his range excludes such holdings AFTER his river bet?

I'm interested in his turn calling range, which I think includes some jacks, some kings, some oesds, some AA/TT, etc. I don't think the list above can all be excluded before the river, which means that we're really looking at what he's doing with various range subsets on the river. e.g. for AA/KK wouldn't a good player sometimes flat top-of-range holdings pre-flop looking to induce a squeeze? and then flat flop and turn as played?

regardless, I think he bets his value range - broken into those that you beat = his perceived value range (KQ+?), and his true value hands (= everything that beats you), and his air on this river.
Downside of bet-folding is that you get no value from his air, and you're getting the value anyway from his perceived value range.

Anyway, I like the line and think you're easily good > 33%, but I don't see much value in a shove.
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Old 11-23-2009, 01:28 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I think he has 77-JJ, maybe AA AJ,AK,KQd. I like check/calling river. Like daven said not much value for shove. And I think villian bets at this lite alot.
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I think the river is a bet/fold like you would with hands like 78,89,79 etc.. I think you'll get looked up frequently enough by 77-TT (do you think he's 3bet/shoving them preflop? I def think they're in his range without more info..)
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 Why do you guys always advocate bet/folding when there is a pot-sized bet left? Come on
 
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Because I don't think an overbet shove is going to get called by worse often enough, but I think a 1/2 pot bet will. I guess you can bet/call if he's FPSy enough to turn 77-TT into a bluff when you bet, but I don't think he has any reason to unless he's massively spewy so I just bet/fold... It also avoids this fairly lame situation where he is likely to check back a lot of his hands that we beat and bet everything that beats us.
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