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Old 02-04-2010, 09:51 PM     Post subject: ITT I turn into Jennifer Tilly #1 (permalink)  
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Villain is 18/14 but that includes some short-handed. I'm new to Full Tilt so no real history but I run like 16/13 or something.. UTG is some nit. River line please, thanks! B/F? C/C? Or am I over-thinking things and this should be B/C?

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Stacks:
UTG ($1,036.70)
UTG+1 ($400)
MP1 ($447)
MP2 ($400)
Hero ($499.70)
CO ($871.40)
BTN ($400)
SB ($584.70)
BB ($400)

Pre-Flop: ($6, 9 players) Hero is MP3
UTG raises to $12, 3 folds, Hero calls $12, CO calls $12, 3 folds

Flop: ($42, 3 players)
UTG bets $22, Hero calls $22, CO calls $22

Turn: ($108, 3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $72, CO calls $72, UTG folds

River: ($252,

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Old 02-04-2010, 10:10 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Bet for starters, why let him check behind his AA KK
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Old 02-04-2010, 10:42 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 hey has 67 a ton just bet
 
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Old 02-04-2010, 10:45 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 I would have said that a c/r all in limits you to 1 hand almost which is JJ so that leaves donking - what about a dumb river bet to induce spaz?
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What size are we betting and are we calling a shove?
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Old 02-04-2010, 10:59 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 what about 110-130 and calling a shove - will that will induce a 6 to spaz when you make you hand look like a blocking bet with AJ/QQ type hand (even AA for that matter)
Edit: saying that, 110 gives you good odds to call if he shoves which makes our hand easier to read? what about somthing dumb like 90?
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Old 02-05-2010, 12:31 AM #7 (permalink)  
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are we joking about bet-folding here ever? I think i'm getting levelled. I would just bet-call like 140 on this river so you get a call from QQ-AA.
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Old 02-05-2010, 12:37 AM #8 (permalink)  
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how about betting 102
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Old 02-05-2010, 01:32 AM #9 (permalink)  
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 b/f cuz it's nitring and he's never shoving worst then 66, BAM
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Old 02-05-2010, 02:01 AM     Post subject: Re: ITT I turn into Jennifer Tilly #10 (permalink)  
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Or am I over-thinking things and this should be B/C?
ja, this I think. You would have to be a lot deeper for things to change. Villain has QQ/67/etc in his range, not just 66. Chill
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I bet $172 because I think villain is squeezing overpairs the vast majority of the time so his range is mostly A6s/68s/67s/66/65s. He shoves and I want to fold, but now I find myself with nearly 4:1 and 65s is possibly (but unlikely to be) in his shoving range seeing as I'm a new reg.. I don't really like it at all though and I think it's a really interesting spot since we have top boat and we're not super-happy about stacks going in. Any deeper and I think we need to find a fold here, and it may have been a fold anyway..

Daven, yes QQ and 67 are in his range when we get to the river, but not in his river shoving range.
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I would have said that a c/r all in limits you to 1 hand almost which is JJ so that leaves donking - what about a dumb river bet to induce spaz?
Just because you or anyone I've ever played with would only ever c/shove JJ, 66 doesn't mean he's capable of bet/folding even if he realizes that... he might curse his screen and post on some forum how he should have hero-folded 56, but he prolly won't bet/fold. I'd be more concerned with him checking back 67 like a pro.

I don't see what he's supposed to spazz with on the river.
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I would have said that a c/r all in limits you to 1 hand almost which is JJ so that leaves donking - what about a dumb river bet to induce spaz?
Just because you or anyone I've ever played with would only ever c/shove JJ, 66 doesn't mean he's capable of bet/folding even if he realizes that... he might curse his screen and post on some forum how he should have hero-folded 56, but he prolly won't bet/fold. I'd be more concerned with him checking back 67 like a pro.

I don't see what he's supposed to spazz with on the river.
he never checks back a 6 - or does rarely - and our c/r all in range is pretty shallow on this board.

in the moment id bet 170/call but in reality this could be c/c reasonable c/fold to shove.
if villain has a Jx QQ+ range then he bets small enough for us to call or doesnt value bet for fear of a c/r anyway
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Old 02-08-2010, 03:26 PM #14 (permalink)  
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 This hand is either bet $130-180/call or shove
 
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Old 02-08-2010, 03:33 PM #15 (permalink)  
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 Bet. You might technically be able to fold the 0.5% of the time he shoves instead of just calls, but I wouldn't sweat it too much, and 65 is probably too likely for you to consider it.
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Old 02-08-2010, 05:23 PM #16 (permalink)  
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 I read this thread and realized why I don't play nitring. I like a b/f $180.
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